Greece, History, Truth

[DirtyCodingHabitz]

what are you talking about ? Dodging questions ?
Im not your enemy mate, get off it.

Now you're denying that I asked you a question on the previous page. It's like talking to a brick.

[Voltron]

Really? So you deny that greeks consider themselves as pure ancient greek descendants?

We know that we are Macedonians, and we never go to genetics to prove it. I can trace my family to the 19th century with documents of them being born Macedonian.

Yes, I dont know of any Greek that says we are pure ancient Greeks. That is laughable. Its not my fault if you talk to kids regarding issues like this. Same goes for Macedonians as well.

btw - I didnt know you posted this question until you said it was on the bottom of the previous page.
Just have manners and Il answer any question you have.

[Ottoman]

Lol please open your ears and eyes, there are MANY Greeks around who claim they are pure.

What the fuck is pure? the meaning of pure isnt even applying on human beings, really bullshit.

[Voltron]

Again, its not MY fault you speak with children.
I personally dont know of anybody that says such an exaggerated claim.
I agree with you, nobody is.

[The LION will ROAR]

Yes, I dont know of any Greek that says we are pure ancient Greeks. That is laughable. Its not my fault if you talk to kids regarding issues like this. Same goes for Macedonians as well.

btw - I didnt know you posted this question until you said it was on the bottom of the previous page.
Just have manners and Il answer any question you have.

You must not go out much or only just hang out with your turk mates for not to here about Greeks raving about how pure they are and being direct decendants with the Ancient Greeks..
But I see Greeks are changing their stance now alittle in the last few years...
hmmm is it maybe that the Macedonians have exposed their lies..??

Here maybe read these...but I'm warning you...sometimes TRUTH does hurt...


The Myth of Greek Ethnic 'Purity'
Macedonia and Greece, John Shea, 1997 pp.77-96

http://www.ancientmacedonia.com/greekmyth.html

Many Greeks to this day believe they are an ethnically homogeneous nation

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/77060

Are Modern Greeks direct descendents of the Ancient Greeks?

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/76327

Modern Greeks claim no Macedonians, Turks, Albanians or Vlachs live in Greece today

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/77779

[Ottoman]

We also see a huge difference between ancient Egyptians and modern Egyptians (who are mostly Arab invaders)

We must accept that we are changing the whole time, who knows how every race will be after 200/300 years, we will screw each others women a lot thats for sure.

[johnMKD]

You must be the first Greek that actually thinks this way, I dont know what happend to you, maybe you saw the light or something.

Ottoman, please don't be that absolutist. I'm also of the same opinion and I do have a lot of good Turkish friends. Do you have anyone Greek?

[The LION will ROAR]

We also see a huge difference between ancient Egyptians and modern Egyptians (who are mostly Arab invaders)

We must accept that we are changing the whole time, who knows how every race will be after 200/300 years, we will screw each others women a lot thats for sure.

Ottoman, in 200/300 years Greece will claim that all of Europe was Greek...lol

[Ottoman]

Ottoman, please don't be that absolutist. I'm also of the same opinion and I do have a lot of good Turkish friends. Do you have anyone Greek?

Im sorry but all the Greeks I had as friends became nationalistic assholes spitting on Turks, thats the reason I cannot be friends with a Greek person. All the bullshit stories about genocides made me sick, I cannot help the fact that my ancestors killed Greeks in the past.

[johnMKD]

Im sorry but all the Greeks I had as friends became nationalistic assholes spitting on Turks, thats the reason I cannot be friends with a Greek person. All the bullshit stories about genocides made me sick, I cannot help the fact that my ancestors killed Greeks in the past.

Yes, my ancestors also killed Turks in the past; that hasn't stopped me having them as friends in the present. Do you live in the past, ottoman?

I don't know about your ex-friends, but this doesn't mean that you have to generalise for an entire country. I know I'm really happy that I have open-minded Turkish friends. I consider some of them even closer to a lot of my Greek ones.

[DirtyCodingHabitz]

Yes, I dont know of any Greek that says we are pure ancient Greeks. That is laughable. Its not my fault if you talk to kids regarding issues like this.

You're a joke.

Yes, my ancestors also killed Turks in the past; that hasn't stopped me having them as friends in the present. Do you live in the past, ottoman?

It's different from a Turk having a greek friend and a greek having a Turk friend, and I'll explain because the same goes for us. I have couple of greek friends and many that I know.But when it comes to the smallest things like football matches between a greek and Macedonian team, they show their true feelings towards your people.

That's why I don't like having friends that ACT like they are your friends in a daily life, but behind your back they stab you. Sure some greeks don't care about that bs but the majority of greeks will insult you in front of your face, or back stab you.

[Ottoman]

Yes, my ancestors also killed Turks in the past; that hasn't stopped me having them as friends in the present. Do you live in the past, ottoman?

I don't know about your ex-friends, but this doesn't mean that you have to generalise for an entire country. I know I'm really happy that I have open-minded Turkish friends. I consider some of them even closer to a lot of my Greek ones.

You know what the problem is? I trusted most of my Greek friends, but when I wasnt around they were talking trash about how barbaric Turks are, lets face the facts, yes we killed a lot of Greeks and Armenians in the past, and believe me no Turk is proud of that, thats a black page in our rich history that contains many beautiful things for the sake of humanity.

I just cannot handle that anymore.

[johnMKD]

You know what the problem is? I trusted most of my Greek friends, but when I wasnt around they were talking trash about how barbaric Turks are, lets face the facts, yes we killed a lot of Greeks and Armenians in the past, and believe me no Turk is proud of that, thats a black page in our rich history that contains many beautiful things for the sake of humanity.

I just cannot handle that anymore.

I agree with you that it's just a black page in the history of Turkey. That's why I've learned to like modern Turks and hang out with them. After all, I can see more similarities than differences between Turks and Greeks.

BTW, I have also once met one Turk who was talking really bad about Greeks and I just ignored him. This is the proper way to deal with fascists and morons. You should do the same with the Greek ones, mate.

[George S.]

Voltron i consider myself as macedonian do you have a problem with that,i can trace my family going back at least 300 years in the ohrid region.If anyone tellls me i'm not macedonian or i don't have a right to call myself macedonian will get my knuckle sandwich.

[TrueMacedonian]

Who said Greeks are pure Ottoman ? Greeks and Turks identify themselves using the same approach. We both know this. Both our countries in a modern sense were cemented after the population exchange. And it was Turkey that wanted to use religion as a way of exchanging each others people. We agreed.

Thats why you wont see a Greek claiming muslim Greeks as their own. We brand them Turks or Turkalvanos. Mehmed and Sinan had Greek background but you will never see us honor them as our own. Macedonians and Albanians have a different approach. They are the ones that use " purity " or " genetics " in their positions.

This is a good thread, I will try to read all of the sixteen pages and clarify and misconceptions some posters may have. Or at least I will try.

The Greeks and their friends were too apt to leap back two thousand years and ignore all history between the fight of Chaeronea(1) and the fight of Dragatshan(2).

(1) The decisive victory of Philip of Macedon over the Athenians and their allies, B.C. 338.

(2) The first great decisive victory of the Greeks over the Turks in the Revolution of A.d. 1821.

The life and letters of Edward A. Freeman, D.C.L., LL. D. By William Richard Wood Stephens pages 190-192.


Would you like to start here? Or would you rather prefer to take this particular debate here - http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum...ead.php?t=1316