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Old 02-16-2019, 05:19 AM   #1
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Default News Outlets Using "North Macedonians"

I am going to post news sites that describe Macedonians as North Macedonians -- either for people to contact to tell them we're not North Macedonians, or to use to slap Northadonians in the face with, who have said that no one will call us North Macedonians because the agreement doesn't say that.

To be fair, I don't really blame all news sites when a country changes its name. However, I know for us who aren't North Macedonians (Diaspora Macedonians and Egejsko Macedonians in Greece), we still should probably fight for our dignity and pride.


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As most readers will know, the contentious Greek ratification procedure for the Prespes Agreement ended with its passage in a vote January 25, with a margin of just three votes (153/300). That deal, signed in June 2018, is designed to resolve the Name Dispute once and for all between Greece and its northern neighbour, now renamed as North Macedonia. Just a few technical steps are required under the terms of the Prespes Agreement to enter into force, but for all intents and purposes, the work is complete.

New Europe will now refer to North Macedonia, the country’s newly-approved constitutional name. We have been careful to refer to the country as Macedonia/FYROM up to this point and will use that term only in a historical context or if the discussion requires this for clarity. We will use the adjective “North Macedonian” as needed, slightly shorter than the term “of North Macedonia” which the Prespes deal spells out.

And much like New Yorkers and New Zealanders are described in a two-word moniker, New Europe will describe the country’s citizens as North Macedonians, hoping to avoid the term “Macedonian/citizen of the Republic of North Macedonia” as spelt out in the Prespes Agreement. We hope our journalistic colleagues will refrain from shortening the adjective to a one-word term, as this shortcut serves to undercut most of what the Prespes Agreement is said to have attained, the use of one name for all purposes. This will take time.

The entry of North Macedonia into NATO is long overdue, but it should not be seen as the ultimate guarantee of stability in the Western Balkans, simply a new hard barrier aimed at Moscow. As for NATO’s track record, all one has to do is to look at how little success NATO has had through the years in calming Greek-Turkish competition over the Aegean.

North Macedonia’s entry into the EU will take years to negotiate and may well occur at a time when the EU itself is being deconstructed or reconstructed. Get out your crystal balls.

The deal’s supporters should refrain from praising the Prespes Agreement too loudly and simply get down to the business of solidly anchoring North Macedonia into Euro-Atlantic intuitions. It is not the best of the best by any means. There are valid concerns that democratic practices were circumvented in the battle to get the Prespes Agreement ratified in both Greece and North Macedonia. The current Greek leadership steadfastly refused to consider asking its people about the deal in a referendum or requiring a 2/3 majority to ratify it in Parliament, while in North Macedonia the failed September 30 referendum was ignored, questionable practices were used to secure key opposition party votes when needed, as well as the position of the country’s popularly-elected President somehow bypassed.

To numerous observers, it appeared at times both countries’ leaders spent more time fighting public opinion in their own countries than in negotiating a balanced mutually-beneficial deal with the UN’s help.

New Europe will be watching for key world powers to recognize North Macedonia by its new constitutional name, as many have long promised. This is important and should not be delayed. Likewise, we are on the alert for Russia’s threat to use its UN Security Council veto whenever an attempt is made to remove the old Name Dispute from the UN agenda. The last chapter may not have been completed yet.
https://www.neweurope.eu/article/wel...rth-macedonia/
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Old 02-18-2019, 12:53 PM   #2
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People can use the following UN (official) information to contact news outlets accordingly:

- Language: Macedonian language (Јазик: Македонски јазик)
- Adjective: Of the Republic of North Macedonia, of North Macedonia or Macedonian

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https://kanal5.com.mk/articles/36649...tet-makedonski

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Old 02-18-2019, 08:27 PM   #3
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- Adjective: Of the Republic of North Macedonia, of North Macedonia or Macedonian

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Why would we do that?
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Why would we do that?
Za da im dokazime deka sme bivsi jugoslovenski severomakedonci...pickaim majcina. Abre mazi sme ili sto?
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Za da im dokazime deka sme bivsi jugoslovenski severomakedonci...pickaim majcina. Abre mazi sme ili sto?
Isto e koga nekoj kje im kazhe deka ne e FYROM, tuku e "The former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia" according to some UN agreement. Where's the dignity?
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Macedonian Foreign Ministry wants to stop the use of the adjective “North Macedonian”

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https://english.republika.mk/news/ma...th-macedonian/

The Macedonian Foreign Ministry prepared a note for media outlets in which it lays out detailed instructions on what words to use to describe the country, its people and culture, especially the adjective “Macedonian”, and strictly banning the use of the adjective “Northmacedonian”. The note may put Macedonia on a collision course with Greece, which also issued a note of its own.

According to the Macedonian note, institutions such as the Foreign Ministry, the Government or the President, should only be referred to as the “Government of the Republic of North Macedonia” or the “Government of North Macedonia”. Use of both “Macedonian” and “Northmacedonian” to describe these institutions is forbidden. The same applies to private subjects who are funded by the Government.

But, the word Macedonian must be used whenever the Macedonian people or the Macedonian language are referred to. In the Prespa treaty, Greece accepted the use of the word Macedonian to describe the language, while insisting that the nationality is “Macedonian/citizen of the Republic of North Macedonia” and that the term “nationality” does not apply to the ethnic background, but only to the citizenship.

The Macedonian Government assured Greece that it agrees with this definition, but would then also assure Macedonians that the Prespa treaty guarantees their national identity and that with it Greece accepts that Macedonians are Macedonians. This case of doublespeak is not clearly resolved in the two notes. The Greek note agrees that the institutions will have to be referred to as of the “Republic of North Macedonia” or “North Macedonia” and merely repeats the formulation on the nationality which is contained in the Prespa treaty.

The adjective “Macedonian” is to be used when relating to ethnic and cultural identity of the people, our language, history, culture, heritage, territory and other attributes. Such terms in this context are distinctly different from those used and related to the region of Macedonia in Greece, the Macedonian note declares, adding the following examples: “Correct examples: Macedonian ethnic identity; Macedonian language; Macedonian culture; Macedonian territory; Macedonian people; Macedonian history, Macedonian mountains; Macedonian literature; the Macedonian Cyrillic alphabet; Macedonian food; Macedonian churches etc. Incorrect: Other adjectival references, including “North Macedonian”, “Northern Macedonian”, “N. Macedonian” and “NorthMacedonian”, should not be used”.

The battle over the adjectives was one of the most pronounced elements of the name issue which the two Governments believe was settled with the Prespa treaty. Bulgaria is also closely following the process as it doesn’t recognize the Macedonian nation and language as separate from the Bulgarian. Using the name “North Macedonia”, which was imposed to the country despite not being approved at a referendum and after intense pressure was put on the Macedonian Parliament, may lead to the development of adjectives such as “North Macedonian, which the Ministry of Foreign Affairs insist will not be allowed.

As part of the deal with Greece we have agreed not to describe any state body as North Macedonian. Anything connected to the state, the government, the presidency, private entities and actors related to the state or activities financed by the state abroad will use the adjective North but it is not necessary to use it otherwise, for example for food. So, our country is run by the Government of North Macedonia, our head of state is the President of North Macedonia, foreign affairs are run by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of North Macedonia and so on. North Macedonia should also be used for all other official bodies too, for example, local municipalities and Saints Cyril and Methodius University. For example: “Tetovo is a municipality in North Macedonia where it is common to hear people speak in either Macedonian or Albanian. Likewise: “Saints Cyril and Methodius University is the oldest university in North Macedonia. I went there to do an interview about the Macedonian economy.” Again, be careful – not North Macedonian. Yes, it is complicated, but it took us 27 years to get to this agreement!, the note declares.
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