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Aleksandar Donski -Interviewed by Bulgarian Newspaper


Aleksandar Donski -Interviewed by Bulgarian Newspaper
Thursday, January 31, 2013 4:06:23 PM
" You are Thracian decadents
Ancient Macedonians are our Grandfathers
We will live brotherly nations"

“ВИЕ СТЕ НАСЛЕДНИЦИ НА ТРАКИТЕ

АНТИЧНИТЕ МАКЕДОНЦИ СА НАШИТЕ ДЕДИ

ЩЕ ЖИВЕЕМ КАТО БРАТСКИ НАРОДИ’’

Dear Readers,

Recently the Bulgarian daily “B’lgaria dnes” published a two part interview with Macedonian historian Aleksandar Donski MA. Although the headings and subheadings in the interview, as well as the edited photograph in the second part (where Donski is supposedly giving Dimitrov a Macedonian passport – a photo montage that has long circulated around the Internet), are the work of the newspaper’s editorial board (and not Donski’s work), this interview was a rare opportunity for authentically presenting the Macedonian side of the story to the general Bulgarian public. And not only that; This may be the first interview in which a Macedonian historian was allowed to have his say before the general Bulgarian public; not only to explain the basic ethnogenetic differences between Macedonians and Bulgarians but also to pose questions regarding the basic theses about the origin of the Bulgarian nation.

Although presented in an abbreviated form, the interview aroused great interest among the Bulgarian public and politicians.

Let us hope that this interview will contribute to a greater understanding between our two countries and peoples. Only through arguments and open dialogue can we overcome our differences and certain misunderstandings.

Aleksandar Donski would like to thank the editorial board of the Bulgarian daily “B'lgaria dnes” for its courage, demonstrated by publishing this interview.

[INTERVIEW Part 1.

By Vanche Gelevski
Translated and edited by Risto Stefov
December 29, 2012

Who is Donski?

Aleksandar Donski is a Macedonian historian and writer. He is the author of dozens of books in history, folklore, literature and religion. He works at the Institute of History and Archaeology at the University “Gotse Delchev” in Stip. He is known for his radical views on the origin of the Macedonian nation.

- How deep did Bulgaria stick a knife into Macedonia when it vetoed the start of negotiations for EU membership?

- Most of the people here were expecting this kind of outcome because Bulgaria and Greece had already announced their intentions. Regardless, Macedonia will continue to exist and will strengthen its bilateral relations with key countries in the EU and NATO and will patiently wait for its time to enter the Euro-Atlantic institutions.

- This knife wound is dangerous and can be deadly for the future of Macedonia ?

- Macedonia will only disappear by a brutal military occupation. But such an occupation cannot take place without fatal consequences to the aggressor who dares to do this.

- Who is responsible for the cold relationship between Skopje and Sofia ?

- The chronic reason for our bad relationship is the Bulgarian government’s unwillingness to recognize the existence of the Macedonian nation, language and culture. This instills negative feelings in the people in Macedonia . Imagine, how would you feel if someone did not recognize the Bulgarian nation? During Georgi Dimitrov’s term there were brotherly relations between Macedonians and Bulgarians. During President Zhelev’s term we had warm relations. As a true democrat, he always gave and still gives his support to Macedonia . Zhelev was the most popular contemporary Bulgarian politician in the country. Unfortunately Todor Zhivkov’s shadow still hangs over the other Bulgarian politicians. Bulgaria should not be held hostage to individual hatred of Macedonia and because of Macedono-phobia. These people know that if good relations between Macedonians and Bulgarians exist they will feel like fish out of water. That is why they have this paranoia towards anything Macedonian. Skopje too has its share of people who hate and criticize Bulgaria for various reasons. They too are an obstacle to eliminating misunderstandings between our two countries and our people. It is good that not too many people are burdened by history and politics, and that people are increasingly eager to develop good relations between our countries. This should be encouraged.

- What stands in Macedonia ’s way?

- We have overcome much more difficult periods in our history and we have survived. Time will give us a way out. Time is on Macedonia ’s side. When all the European countries join the EU, except for Macedonia because Greece and possibly Bulgaria continue to veto it, Brussels will react and will not allow Macedonia to be isolated. The same thing will happen with NATO. Why are Bulgaria and Greece so worried about Macedonia ’s entry into these structures? The government in Sofia must know that by blocking Macedonia it will cause itself grief and will hurt Bulgaria ’s prestige with the Western countries.

- Are Bulgaria ’s conditions acceptable to Skopje to normalize neighbourly relations between the two countries?

- All three Bulgarian proposals were adopted by the Macedonian Foreign Minister Nikola Popovski. They are completely normal.

- Certain circles in Sofia want to celebrate holidays together to bring us closer. Are there any such holidays in Macedonia ’s history?

- The intention of this proposal is to demonstrate that Macedonians and Bulgarians have a common history, ie they are one people. I do not consider such intentions appropriate and things should remain as before - each State has its own holidays and can celebrate them as they wish individualy.

- The established view in Bulgaria is that no Macedonian state, Macedonian language and Macedonian nation existed before 1944. Are there any parties in Skopje which would accept such a position in order to get a fresh start in relations with Sofia ?

- None. We have a lot of historical evidence that proves the uniqueness of the Macedonian people from ancient times until today. No sane person would accept the lies that we were created in 1944. There are many stereotypical notions in Bulgaria about the Macedonian issue. For example, some say that Serbians “invented the Macedonian nation” to harm Bulgaria . But between the two world wars, during Serbia ’s rule in Macedonia , the Serbs were accusing Bulgaria of “inventing” the Macedonian nation. In 1929, Milan Jovanovic, a Serbian historian, published a book that attempted to prove that the population in Vardar , or “Banovina” as the Serbs called Vardar Macedonia , was Serbian. He sharply criticized Sofia for trying to harm Serbian interests by creating the Macedonian nation. Other Serbs from the early twentieth century wrote that the Bulgarians “fabricated” the Macedonian nation. This theory is also shared by Greek historians such as Theophilos Papakonstantinou who claims that Bulgarians “invented” the Macedonian nation and language, and that such information is hidden in Bulgaria .

- Macedonian history books say that Bulgaria is Macedonia ’s greatest enemy. Shouldn’t they be explaining things and showing proof?

- Things are not what they seem. The fact that you say such things is proof that certain circles in Bulgaria deliberately created rumours about Macedonia . In Macedonia there is an underlying view that Bulgarian history books are silent about the truth and conceal the existence of a Macedonian national identity. Their goal here is clear – to keep the Bulgarian people ignorant about Macedonia and manipulate them to believe that Macedonians do not exist.

- Macedonian historians say that the Kingdom of Bulgaria occupied Vardar Macedonia during the Second World War, but pictures from Skopje taken by Bulgarian soldiers show that they were greeted as liberators. Why?

- Up until the war Macedonia was under Serbian slavery, which was extremely difficult on the people. Macedonians were subjected to cruel denationalization and terror. At that time Bulgaria had a more liberal attitude towards Macedonians and allowed them to freely organize on its territory and publish newspapers, magazines, books, etc... In those days Macedonians felt much closer to Bulgaria than they did to Serbia . Therefore, when they first arrived, the Bulgarian soldiers were greeted warmly - people saw the invasion as liberation. But it did not take too long after that when the Bulgarian fascist government showed its true face and began its own brand of denationalization and terror. For this reason, it is more important to emphasize what really happened and how the Bulgarians left, than to show how the soldiers were met when they first arrived.

Tens of thousands of Macedonians picked up arms to liberate Vardar Macedonia from the Bulgarians. One of the things that Bulgarian historians are trying to hide from this period are the dozens of photographs showing civilians, Macedonian partisans and their supporters killed by the Bulgarian police and the Bulgarian army. After the war, some of these photographs were used by the new Macedonian government as evidence to show the atrocities committed against the Macedonian people by the Bulgarian fascists. They were ugly scenes of murdered children, youth and elderly men. Many in Bulgaria will be angered by my words, but these are the facts. If you do not believe me, see what Kosta Tsarnoushanov says about those dark years - he called the Bulgarian police in Prilep a “Pack of wolves” who arrested and harassed ordinary people.


INTERVIEW Part 2.

- Bozhidar Dimitrov, Director of NIM, is one of the most hated personalities in the Republic of Macedonia . Some years ago he announced that he would give away a one million German Mark prize to anyone who provided him with written evidence that Macedonians, not Bulgarians, lived in geographic Macedonia before 1944. What are the chances that someone can become rich in the near future at the expense of Dimitrov?

- Dimitrov is a man who likes to be of service. He said many stupid things about me on television, including that I come from a Serbian family that settled in Macedonia . These are complete lies because all my predecessors are proven Macedonians. It is sad for Bulgaria to have such people as foreign policy advisors, especially when it comes to the Republic of Macedonia .

His idea of a cash prize for this proof was taken with a grain of salt in Skopje . It was designed for the Bulgarian people who do not know any better. But in Macedonia we know that there are many authors who have written about the Macedonian existence since time immemorial and who have said that the Macedonian people were different from the Bulgarians. Included among these authors, from the Middle Ages, are Julian Desi Komin, Sozomen, Theodoret Kirski and others. Later authors include Konstantine Bagrenorodni, Jonan Kameniat, Anna Comnena, Nicephorus Vrieniy, Austrian King Leopold I and others. There were also members of the Provisional Government of Macedonia from the 80’s of the XIX century, who sought from the Great Powers to restore ancient Macedonia . They too saw themselves as Macedonians.

According to writer P. Slaveinkov, the prominent Bulgarian journalist Petre Draganov had written that in the XIX and early XX century Macedonians were a separate people, and that there was a separate Macedonian consciousness and a separate Macedonian identity. Macedonians defined themselves as Macedonians. This included dozens of right-wing politicians and some members of Vancho Mihailov’s VMRO. But all this is now hiding in Bulgaria .

- One of your most famous books is the “Ethnogenetic differences between Macedonians and Bulgarians” published in 2000. What are the main differences between the people in the two countries?

- The book caused an uproar and the entire batch that was printed was sold in a few days. The main difference between our two nations is the ethnogenesis, i.e. the ethnic groups consisting of our people. In the last several decades, historians in Sofia have made several attempts to change the theory of the origin of modern Bulgarians. Before WW II the prevalent anti-Slavic opinion was that Bulgarians were the heirs of the “Hun-Tatars”. After World War II, under Soviet Union influence, that thesis was changed and Bulgarians saw themselves as “pure Slavs”. In the 1970’s they again changed their minds and Bulgarians began to see themselves as a mixture of Thracians, Slavs and Asian Bulgars.

In contrast the Macedonian nation, for the most part, was created by the mixing of ancient Macedonians with Slavs.

The Kubrat and Asparuh Bulgarians never settled in Macedonia , which means that the Macedonians, even if they want to be Bulgarians can not be Bulgarians because they do not have Bulgarian blood running in their veins. It is a known fact that the Turkik-Mongol-Bulgarians belong to the yellow race. In the past the Bulgarian government proudly proclaimed that the Khans Kubrat and Asparoukh were Mongols but today, as we can see, the Bulgarians in Bulgaria are white and belong to the white race, so I see no logic in the celebration of people who believe they belong to the yellow race. Logic suggests that the majority of today’s Bulgarians are the descendants of the glorious Thracians and Slavs.

I think Bulgarians are the descendants of one of the oldest and most culturally exalted nations in Europe - the Thracians. Paradoxically, it was the Proto-Bulgarians who created the Bulgarian State in which the Thracians and Slavs accepted foreign rule and became ethnic “Bulgarians” on their own. There is no logic to explain why the decendents of the Thracians accepted to be proud ethnic “Bulgarians” i.e. take the the name of the murderers of their ancestors in Serdica who were massacred by the Bulgarian Khan Krum. But be that as it may, today we should respect this will of the Bulgarians. But we, the Macedonians, have no relation to the yellow Asparuh Bulgarians.

The similarities that exist between the Macedonian and Bulgarian language and culture are derived from our common Thracian and Slavic heritage that has nothing to do with the Bulgars, who have never lived en masse along the Vardar Valley .

- The main thesis in your books and articles is that Macedonians are the direct descendants of Alexander the Macedonian. What evidence do you have that proves this?

- I have never said that we are pure descendants of the ancient Macedonians. No nation can claim such a pure ethnic origin. My thesis is that we are the descendents of Alexander’s Macedonians as well as all other nations and people who have been assimilated to make up today’s Macedonian culture and nation. Genetics proves that. Two popular European institutions did a field study of European and Asian nations. Hundreds of people were tested in Macedonia and the results were clear - Macedonians are one of the oldest nations on the continent and the largest group of them was shown to be descendants of the ancient Macedonians.

One of the institutes for immunology and molecular biology was the University of Madrid and the other was the prestigious Swiss Institute “Igenea”. The resulting data from these findings was widely publicized everywhere, except in Bulgaria where it was hidden. As you can see from this study the ancient people did not disappear, they became the melting pot of other nations that conquered their territory.

- In the end - Can Macedonia and Bulgaria be good neighbours and look beyond the problems of their past?

- Macedonians and Bulgarians can and should live as two separate but brotherly people! All of Macedonia was very happy when Bulgaria recognized its independence in 1991. Unfortunately then things started to go badly again when our nation was denied recognition.

You should start using democratic standards - if a person feels like a Macedonian then let him or her be Macedonian, no one should deny them that right and vice versa. If people in Macedonia feel like Bulgarians then we should respect that and they should have the same rights as other minorities.

Written by Risto Stefov
Source:

http://www.ugd.edu.mk/index.php/mk/u...onski-intervju

Булгариа Днес стр.10 - интервју Александар Донски (.pdf)
Булгариа Днес стр.10 - интервју Александар Донски-дел 2 (.pdf)
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Interview with historian Alexander Donskoy Bulgarian daily "B` lgarija dnes
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A few things I would've said differently, but overall not a bad interview by Donski.
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Pretty decent interview. I think he was trying to be friendly toward the Bulgarians and not insult them but I did like how he brought up the issue of what the Bulgarians are (not bulgars). What is sad is that many many people in Macedonia (Macedonians) would not agree with Donski. Many in ROM think of themselves as pure "slavs" most of the communist crap left over from yugo. Many in Macedonia have very poor and fragmented knowledge about our ancestry and history.
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An old friend of my father said to me that in his school they didn't even mentioned Alexander the Great and ancient Macedonians.
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An old friend of my father said to me that in his school they didn't even mentioned Alexander the Great and ancient Macedonians.
Does that mean they didn't teach ancient history at all? Or they did but deliberately omitted Alexander? Where did he go to school?
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Where did he go to school?
Exactly, what planet was that school on?
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Greekoids never taught Macedonian history in their schools either until it became a political issue, and then they only teaching selective parts of it namely superficial Hellenistic periods and the "greek macedonian" pseudo-culture their propaganda organs created after the Balkan Wars or what suits their agenda. Donski is great for clarifying alot of errors.

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What greek history there ain't any it's all stolen from us but with a twist of propaganda.We arae not macedonis they the greeks are.They deliberately concentrate on falsifying history
that their claim is 4000 years of greek history is absurd to say the least.The greeks were colonisers & the greek peninsula was inhabited by them for less than 3000.The existence of other people besides greeks on the greek peninsula is only too obvious in greek or other non greek writings.The span of a macedonian tribe pelasgian is all over the place.The fact that Macedonians were allready in macedonia for many milenia prior to the greeks coming.THe fact that there were distinct differences is a big point.Fact prior to 1913 the greeks never occupied the aegean part before(why did they call it after 1913 the occupied territories)?
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