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Old 06-28-2010, 09:45 AM   #1
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Default Macedonian Gypsies (Romani)

Whats the popluation rate in ROM....Its good to see we Allow multiculturism withought any borders...too bad other countries are stuck in totalarism



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Old 06-28-2010, 10:01 AM   #2
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Yes we Macedonians can be fair people.
Shutka i think is a village in Skopje region, in which the population is almost entirely Roma.
The Roma population in Macedonia is 53,879.
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Old 06-28-2010, 10:04 AM   #3
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I personally don't think we can know the number as many Roma families live without being registered. No hospital, no birth registers and no school registers. This is a very big issue. Our gov and the Macedonian people should do more to help Roma people fit in the community. A lot of racisam and steretyping can go around the Macedonian people when it comes to the Romi. Sooner or later we would like them to be our friends.
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Old 06-28-2010, 10:33 AM   #4
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They sit on popular city streets and beg for money day on and off. I personally believe instead of popping our children and raising the children to be street beggars. They do something productive with their lives and get their lazy ass off the street and find a job which isn't as hard as people make it to be in Macedonia. If you really want a job, you can find one.
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Old 06-28-2010, 10:51 AM   #5
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It doesn't work like that. These people are Macedonians, they have right to that country. The problem is that they are a minority and are and have been treated very very badly by the Macedonians and Albanians for years and years. Discrimination and racisam towards the Romi is something we have all witnessed it. You need to educate them to help them move away from their traditional ways. To educate them you need to provide free education enviroment for everyone, not just say it's there but do it. I have seen it day and day out at school Romi being treated like shit by the teachers, professors, students everyone. I have few Romi friends, all of them finished a university, language etc but they had thick skin, believe me. None of them lives in the Republic now because they couldn't get a job, not because they didn;t have the skills, but because they are Romi. Romi children don't want to go to school coz they are bullied not by kids only but by the teachers and it's hard to be a child and not see light at the end of the tunnel. We have a responsability to teach our chidlren to like Romi children, to play with them, not the opposite. We are seperate communities that don't mix.
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Old 06-28-2010, 11:46 AM   #6
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Jankovska, Are you talking about the same people? Its like you've never been to Macedonia before, they are beggers and muzicari the majority of them. They pay parents to give them their children to beg on the streets we've lived with them for over 1000 years and you are trying to introduce them to us now? I've seen them first hand how they beg around the streets and rip people off, if they even smell a foreigner they grab them by their arms and dont let go till they pay up. I've seen them walk into out door restaurants begging for money and if people dont pay up they spit on their plate these are kids too, no wonder the Slovenians segregate their children and dont allow them to be in the same schools, this is even in other countries like Hungary,Slovakia,Czech Republic etc

Shutka is a suburb in Skopje which is part of the Municipality of Shuto Orizari of which Elvis Bajram is the Mayor who is the son of Amdi Bajram. Elvis Bajram has never completed high school.

I got nothing against those people, but you cant help those who wont help themselves.
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Jankovska, Are you talking about the same people? Its like you've never been to Macedonia before, they are beggers and muzicari the majority of them. They pay parents to give them their children to beg on the streets we've lived with them for over 1000 years and you are trying to introduce them to us now? I've seen them first hand how they beg around the streets and rip people off, if they even smell a foreigner they grab them by their arms and dont let go till they pay up. I've seen them walk into out door restaurants begging for money and if people dont pay up they spit on their plate these are kids too, no wonder the Slovenians segregate their children and dont allow them to be in the same schools, this is even in other countries like Hungary,Slovakia,Czech Republic etc

Shutka is a suburb in Skopje which is part of the Municipality of Shuto Orizari of which Elvis Bajram is the Mayor who is the son of Amdi Bajram. Elvis Bajram has never completed high school.

I got nothing against those people, but you cant help those who wont help themselves.

Have you ever wondered why they are where they are? No, you use the wasy way out. They are shit who gives a fuck. Than you wonder why they dislike Macedonians. I am against racisam anywhere in the world.
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Jankovska, They dont want to go to school, they dont register their births, they pick pocket people, lie, steal etc This is the kids im talking about who's parents should be directly responsible for their actions, they are not even vospitani for starters and you talk about racism? i have full respect for those who are educated,smart,polite etc but those people who give their children away to commit crimes to rip people off with false goods, to beg on the streets and force people to give them money this is a crime in itself.

They are child slaves they work for somebody else, they beg in the streets and at the end their carer goes and takes their money that they get.

Having said that, they are the masters at Pleh Muzika and there is no way that i couldnt respect people like Muharem Srebrezovski,Esma Redzepova and so forth for the wonderful music they've produced and all their humanitarian efforts they've done throught history.
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Prolet i wouldnt label every gypsie in Macedonia as a pandhandler have you counted every Romi to witness this? Now im not saying there are a few that are lets be honest lazy bums like you mentioned in Czech i went there 3 years ago and they were everywhere in Bazzars etc trying to make a buck. But ive seen a few go to university and one was studying to become a Engineer. They are a minority with alot of sterotype who need in the work sector.
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There should indeed be a process of integration in the Macedonian society for these people.
In Greece they don't even have to serve in army like everyone else.
In China recently I witnessed similar begging activities by young Chinese children. It was harassment and the worst thing you could do was give one of the kids money. They then swarmed at you.
I think Macedonian kids swearing & begging would be looked down upon in a similar fashion to Romi kids doing the same thing.
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