Does Hellenism exist today.??

[damian]

But the modern greek likes to portray themselves as inheritors of hellenism & they think back more than 2500 years ago & think that they have a positive link when in fact they are just wannabes & think they are part of the ancients.

true from that long ago one can only claim fragments or residues most one could say is they have a semblance of grease or any other ancient system i dont think anyone can claim direct descent that far back not even the pure germans..the thing is people need to hold on to an identity for sentimental reasons and also because thats the way human language and cognition works they want to say i am this you are that and define everything with identities thats true of almost every community

[George S.]

they are just egged on like germans etc who still beleive in the greeks when others would have given up long ago.

[damian]

they are just egged on like germans etc who still beleive in the greeks when others would have given up long ago.

true when you get down to its all about greed and an attempt to justify it and deny or coverup things

[Makedonska_Kafana]

You don't have to visit Greece. You can find Hellenism in Australia too.

rub and tug parlors?

[George S.]

the greeks love their parlors.

[Louis]

George S.,
who wrote the text of post#13? (I guess it wasn't you).

[Makedonska_Kafana]

I find I need a Hellenism at least once every couple of days.

It's good to clean out the system Risto - Royal Flush

[Makedonska_Kafana]

Louis, is it true what they say about Pan Macos in Avstralija?

[Stevce]

Hellenism was a city state way of life if the Greeks want to claim it let them who cares. I personally find it frustrating that in Macedonia, you see the term Hellenistic being used in museums and books. Alexander never spread Hellenism he used the written text of that time (Phonecian aka koine) as it was used around the world for administration purposes only. He did not spread Hellenic culture or the way of life. If anything he adopted cultures of the various places he conquered in his bid to be a world leader. Has anyone seen the shield of King Dimitrou why does it say Dimitrius in the museum? Same with Fillipoy ad the other ancient Macedonian names.

[Redsun]

Hellenistic Age. The Hellenistic age, by almost general consent, covers the period from 323 to 30 B.C.; i.e., from the death of Alexander the Great to the incorporation of Egypt in the Roman Empire. The concept of this period as having a character of its own is not older than the 19th century, when the German historian J.G.Droysen realized the cultural unity behind the history of a number of states. He used the word hellenismus as the name for an age which is regarded as the transitional period between classical Greece and the Christian world; he forgot the part played by Rome, but nevertheless he had discovered a historical truth of the greatest importance.
As with most historical periods, the exact time limits are artificial, but though they may be due to convention they make sense. Alexander’s exploits had changed the face of the world, and from the break up of his empire there arose numerous monarchies, most of them ruled by Macedonians, which covered the eastern Mediterranean and the near east and were the framework for the spread of Greek culture, the mixture of Greeks and non-Greek populations and the fusion of Greek and eastern elements.

Encyclopedia Britannica 1968.



Ism - a distinctive practice, system, or philosophy, typically a political ideology or an artistic movement.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/-ism

[Amphipolis]

Has anyone seen the shield of King Dimitrou why does it say Dimitrius in the museum? Same with Fillipoy ad the other ancient Macedonian names.

It has been explained many times what genitive case is.

http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showpost.php?p=154375&postcount=210

[Stevce]

http://dor.huji.ac.il/HL_east.html

http://mein-makedonien.blogspot.com.au/2012/06/how-great-was-alexander-new-research.html

https://books.google.com.au/books?id=m2k_8JtTgsAC&pg=PP3&lpg=PP3&dq=hellenization+susan+rebecca+martin&source=bl&ots=a2GrL5SvDb&sig=IFxoGuGc7_OrrTfkwNArRESE_nI&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi1072rucXMAhVGwGMKHSFnDLQQ6AEIJTAC#v=onepage&q=hellenization%20susan%20rebecca%20martin&f=false

[Redsun]

1. Introduction
1. Definition.- The word Hellenistic derives from the Greek word hellenizein, which in ancient times simply meant “to speak Hellenic” (i.e., Greek) or “to act like a Greek.” It could be used for either Greeks or non-Greeks in the sense of speaking correct Greek, but it was mainly used with regard to non-Greeks who had accepted the Greek way of life. The corresponding noun could occasionally be used in the sense of “imitation of the Greeks.” In modern times Hellenism has become an ambiguous word, implying Greek culture as well as its imitation; in English, its use is not confined to the Hellenistic era, but often refers to enthusiasm for the art, literature and philosophy of classical Greece (some-times involving lack of sympathy for the Hellenistic age proper), particularly in the 18th and 19th centuries. J.G Droysen used the word chiefly to indicate the fusion of east and west, and to a large extent this is indeed the essence of the period. Modern research has tended toward the view that the Greeks rather than the east were the contributing side. It will be seen that such a view, however justifiable in many respects, is too sweeping to do justice to the multifarious pattern of Hellenistic life. But at least it makes sense to call an age “Hellenistic” of which the spreading of Greek civilization was a main feature. The oecumene was to a large extent hellenized, and while Greek civilization lost some of its unique beauty and originality it lived on in new forms at home as well as on foreign soil among foreign people. It is equally mistaken to speak of the period as that of Greek decadence or to treat Hellenistic history as a mere accompaniment to the simultaneous rise of Rome. It was a new creative period in the history of the human mind, in which Greeks and on-Greeks played their essential though very different parts. It even created a simplified Greek koine (“common speech”) and a common state of mind whereby a Greek was now a man of Greek education and no longer simply of Greek origin. Greek civilization not only conquered the near east but influenced, however superficially, countries as far apart as Parthia and India on the one hand and Carthage and Rome on the other. There was far-reaching fusion between Hellenistic civilization and the east; Judaism among others was partly influenced by Greek culture, and the latter had a decisive share in the formation of early Christianity.

Encyclopaedia Britannica, 1968.

[Redsun]

The word Hellenistic derives from the Greek word hellenizein, which in ancient times simply meant “to speak Hellenic” (i.e., Greek) or “to act like a Greek.” It could be used for either Greeks or non-Greeks in the sense of speaking correct Greek, but it was mainly used with regard to non-Greeks who had accepted the Greek way of life.


Hellenism, Hellenistic are used to refer to non-Greeks. Non-Greeks Hellenised the east, Hellenism is a non-Greek movement.
Why did J.G Droysen use the word Hellenism and not Greacism, the people responsible for this movement were non-Greeks.


It was a new creative period in the history of the human mind, in which Greeks and non-Greeks played their essential though very different parts. It even created a simplified Greek koine (“common speech”) and a common state of mind whereby a Greek was now a man of Greek education and no longer simply of Greek origin.


Notice how it was written, the use of “Greek origin” prior to the Hellenistic Age, what does this imply? The use of the word “origin” gives the impression that the name “Greek” when used to distinguish the people inhabiting Grecia is attributed to the land itself, it does not distinguish a distinct race of peoples.

[Amphipolis]

Hellenism, Hellenistic are used to refer to non-Greeks.

Nope. First of all the term is used mostly (if not only) in the adjective form (Hellenistic). It's not Hellenic (Greek) because it refers to "foreign" (?) Empires (Ptolemaic, Seleucid, Indo-Greek etc) with a prevalent Greek character.

Non-Greeks Hellenised the east, Hellenism is a non-Greek movement.

Hellenism is not an ideology or a movement. It's quite obvious that you need Greeks to Hellenise the non-Greeks and then (at least) Hellenised people who will continue this legacy (as long as it lasted).

Why did J.G Droysen use the word Hellenism and not Greacism, the people responsible for this movement were non-Greeks.

Because the ancient word was Hellenizein, but it wouldn't really matter as it would mean the same thing. I remind you that foreign historians decided to call the previous Greek era, "Classic" (a foreign term suggesting peak period) and the term is now widely used.

Notice how it was written, the use of “Greek origin” prior to the Hellenistic Age, what does this imply?

It implies "Greek" "real Greek", not just Hellenised.

The use of the word “origin” gives the impression that the name “Greek” when used to distinguish the people inhabiting Grecia is attributed to the land itself, it does not distinguish a distinct race of peoples.

Greeks WERE a "race" of people and most of its' tribes in most of the periods were very (as you would call them now) "racist" about their Greekness. Actually, Athens and Athenian Democracy is one of these places and periods. Pureness of blood, family origins etc. would determin your identity, civil rights and position in society.