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Old 06-22-2019, 02:35 PM   #21
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That same Bulgarian said:

"Гоце Делчев се нарекувал Бугарин и се борел за бугарската кауза на Македонија."

There is no evidence that Goce Delcev fought for the Bulgarian cause, but rather there is evidence he fought for the Macedonian cause. Bulgarians have manipulated history beyond belief, which is why citing them is dangerous.
Topalov also said that prior to World War II Macedonians had Bulgarian ethnic and national identity and also state Bulgarian consciousness, which is ridiculous. (He said his paternal ancestors hail from Debar.)
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Old 06-22-2019, 02:54 PM   #22
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The Balkans don't have journalism, only tabloids that pretend to be news outlets.

Remember all the way back when warned people that as soon as we capitulate to Greece that Bulgaria will be next in line? Yeah it took a whole few months for that to happen.

Personally for me this is worse. Antiquity, although important, is still antiquity. The bulgars are going after the people who founded our modern nation. The people who make up our modern identity. If you walk away from Delcev and others like him, what is left? At that point you are starting an identity from scratch in 2019.

If you let the Bulgars push you around you have really hit rock bottom.
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Georgiev: Bulgarian historians want to set 1944 as the starting line of the Macedonian nation

History professor Vanco Georgiev, who is part of the joint committee with Bulgaria, qualified the approach from the Bulgarian members as threats and said that they were raising issues since last year. According to Georgiev, Bulgarian members of the committee want to declare 1944 as the year when the Macedonian nation was first formed.

No nation exists without a process, the nations are constructs and they go through stages of development. And yet, since our first meetings ,we had these indecent threats, that Goce Delcev is a Bulgarian and if we don’t accept that, we will be vetoed. Their proposal doesn’t state that Goce Delcev is a Bulgarian, but indirectly it is said that he comes from a Bulgarian family, went to a Bulgarian school.. The final meeting was more tense. I don’t think we will be able to stick to our program, some of them want radicalization, others want to stage a walk out and some want a veto, Georgiev said.

Bulgaria conditions its support for Macedonia’s EU and NATO accession with the work of the committee, which is supposed to establish a shared historic narrative.

Georgiev adds that he sees the political fights that erupted in Bulgaria as a smoke-screen. Bulgarian conservatives seized on a proposal to jointly celebrate the 1946 date when Goce Delcev’s body was brought to Skopje and interred in the St. Spas church as an insult from the Macedonian side. But their vitriol is largely aimed at the Bulgarian left, given that the decision to bring the body to Skopje was made by the then Bulgarian Communist Party.

Their goal is to scandalize other fundamental issues, such as the Ilinden Uprising, other revolutionaries and work their way up to 1944. This is where they draw the line, as if we exist starting in 1944, and before that nothing exists, Georgiev said.

Bulgarian nationalists insist that the Macedonian nation was made up in Yugoslav times, starting in 1944, and that before, the Macedonians were in fact Bulgarians.
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Old 06-23-2019, 04:34 AM   #23
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Do you have a source other than Serbian or Bulgarian propaganda for that quote? I can't find the origins of that quote by Kolishevski. I'm not saying he didn't say that, but it be nice to actually have a source.
It might be a false quote given their (Bulgarian propagandists) propensity for lying, but Kolishevski was an opportunistic piece of dirt so I wouldn't put it past him either.
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Old 06-23-2019, 05:20 AM   #24
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Within a minute we can see misquoted events above by the Bulgarians about Pendarovski. Why would we think they were more sincere back 100 years ago?
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Old 06-23-2019, 05:53 AM   #25
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https://english.republika.mk/news/ma...ian-positions/

Is it only with Macedonians that you see so many people trying so hard not to be what they are? The Bulgarian and Greek propaganda machines managed to indoctrinate a lot of Macedonians into being the most ardent Bulgarian and Greek nationalists.

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Former Bulgarian President Georgi Prvanov accused Macedonia of taking unfriendly positions against Bulgaria. Prvanov blamed Prime Minister Boyko Borisov for not pushing hard enough in the treaty he signed with Zoran Zaev in 2017, and said that Greece got it right by outlining all its requests in the Prespa treaty.

"We see the birth of anti-Bulgarian Macedonianism in its most brutal form," Prvanov said.

According to Prvanov, it was wrong to accept the creation of a joint committee of historians without a strong mandate. Historians from the two countries are debating various issues, and the historic positions are backed with their right to veto Macedonia’s EU and NATO accession. The Macedonian side already accepted to jointly honor a number of historic figures, who are now considered part of a “shared” history, but an impasse occured over the Bulgarian request that Goce Delcev is declared a Bulgarian hero.

"For me, the key is to request that the Ilinden – Preobrazenie Uprising is declared Bulgarian in its character, and that the population involved had a Bulgarian consciousness. If that is resolved favorably, it is clear that other processes going back in history had a Bulgarian character," Prvanov said.

Bulgarian nationalists insist that there is no Macedonian nation or history separate from the Bulgarian, and this is reflected in the demands raised during the talks of the historians. The word Macedonianism is used to denote the Macedonian nation as an artificial concept.

Prvanov originates from the Pirin Macedonia region, and is a historian. While President, he was lustrated after it was revealed that he was a Bulgarian secret service collaborator tasked with helping the service develop a historical narrative toward Macedonia that favors Bulgarian positions.
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Old 06-26-2019, 03:19 PM   #26
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Borisov: Gotse Delchev is the Bulgarian Che Guevara

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Old 06-26-2019, 05:20 PM   #27
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Its very difficult watching my name be bastardized in such a way.

Those criminals in Skopje brought this on themselves, and let me just say FUCK Ivanov too! It was Ivanov who signed the Bulgarian "friendship" treaty and got the ball rolling with all this joint history garbage.

PS Guevara wasn't fit enough to clean Delchev's boots.
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Fuckwits and their red lines. They'd chops their own dicks off and call themselves Stevojca if they were told to.
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Borisov: Gotse Delchev is the Bulgarian Che Guevara

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What an absolutely idiotic comparison by that stupid tatar. But Zaev will still kiss his arse.
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Old 07-07-2019, 01:23 PM   #30
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Zaharieva says that we share a common history, Goce Delcev is Bulgarian, and that should unite Bulgaria and North Macedonia.

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Гоце Делчев е важна личност и за двете држави и треба да н’е обединува со Северна Македонија, а не да не дели, изјави вицепремиерката и министерка за надворешни работи на Бугарија Екатерина Захариева за bTV.

Гоце Делчев е заеднички. Имаме заедничка историја.Точно тоа го кажува и Договорот за пријателство, добрососедство и соработка меѓу двете држави. Во тој договор Бугарија сака да ја каже вистината. Гоце Делчев е Бугарин, познат револуционер, една од најважните фигури и за нив, кој се борел за автономија на Македонија и на Одринска Тракија. Не гледам зошто толку се караме за него. Мислам дека оваа личност треба да не обединува, а не да не дели“, вели Захариева.
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