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  • Amphipolis
    Banned
    • Aug 2014
    • 1328

    #31
    Originally posted by George S. View Post
    One of mu greek nrighbours suggested the blue
    Flag is the background color of the greek flag.
    He says it was decided upon on the dpur of the moment.back in 1988 by the then greek govt.
    It was a counter attack on rom using the red flag.
    I doubt any of these flags is that early. The idea is the use of this symbol as a flag. Adding a red or blue backround is not exactly an idea and it's not very creative.

    As I showed above the "blue" flag was hardly used in 1992 in Greece (even though the symbol WAS used).

    Again, WHAT was the year of the football game? Can't any of the Australians find out?

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    • George S.
      Senior Member
      • Aug 2009
      • 10116

      #32
      WAS IT 1988??i I did remember the holliganism displayed in the game firing of flares by greek soccer fans.etc THen somebody bought in of all things a rocket launcher to the game???I think the fans ran for their safety.
      "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
      GOTSE DELCEV

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      • Momce Makedonce
        Member
        • Jul 2012
        • 562

        #33
        Originally posted by Stojacanec View Post
        I remember these days. It was clear to see from this video what frame of mind the greeks were in before Macedonian independence in the late 80s.

        The greeks re-christened themselves with the blue flag after the fact. Now they hold it up with so much pride.
        Chuknati
        "The moral revolution - the revolution of the mind, heart and soul of an enslaved people, is our greatest task." Goce Delcev

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        • Momce Makedonce
          Member
          • Jul 2012
          • 562

          #34
          Originally posted by Amphipolis View Post
          I doubt any of these flags is that early. The idea is the use of this symbol as a flag. Adding a red or blue backround is not exactly an idea and it's not very creative.

          As I showed above the "blue" flag was hardly used in 1992 in Greece (even though the symbol WAS used).

          Again, WHAT was the year of the football game? Can't any of the Australians find out?
          It was 1988. It is actually mentioned in this Greek dictionary of Sydney towards the bottom under the sub-heading "Politics, culture and sport" ( It`s in the first couple of paragraphs of that section ).

          Last edited by Momce Makedonce; 11-04-2014, 08:20 AM.
          "The moral revolution - the revolution of the mind, heart and soul of an enslaved people, is our greatest task." Goce Delcev

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          • Nikolaj
            Member
            • Aug 2014
            • 389

            #35
            Originally posted by Amphipolis View Post
            I doubt any of these flags is that early. The idea is the use of this symbol as a flag. Adding a red or blue backround is not exactly an idea and it's not very creative.

            As I showed above the "blue" flag was hardly used in 1992 in Greece (even though the symbol WAS used).

            Again, WHAT was the year of the football game? Can't any of the Australians find out?
            1988 is the year of that football game I believe.

            The historic use of the symbol can be debated on, it is already a fact that it has had its use throughout all of Macedonian history.

            If we're trying to justify the use of the flag in the first place, that is for another discussion. But like said earlier, this was really just me trying to uncover the use of modernistic propaganda on Wikipedia to shape peoples opinions according to their agenda. We know in a proper discussion it's irrelevant, but to influential people it would mean more than what it is.

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            • George S.
              Senior Member
              • Aug 2009
              • 10116

              #36
              The blue flag is just a copy of the macedonian sun on blue background i find that distastefull and disgusting to see.I like the one that is made by the macedonian side.THe red sun not blue.
              "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
              GOTSE DELCEV

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              • Liberator of Makedonija
                Senior Member
                • Apr 2014
                • 1595

                #37
                Is it possible that football game may of been earlier than 1988?
                I know of two tragic histories in the world- that of Ireland, and that of Macedonia. Both of them have been deprived and tormented.

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                • Karposh
                  Member
                  • Aug 2015
                  • 863

                  #38
                  Originally posted by Amphipolis View Post
                  I doubt any of these flags is that early. The idea is the use of this symbol as a flag. Adding a red or blue backround is not exactly an idea and it's not very creative.

                  As I showed above the "blue" flag was hardly used in 1992 in Greece (even though the symbol WAS used).

                  Again, WHAT was the year of the football game? Can't any of the Australians find out?
                  Actually I remember seeing the flag being waved at soccer matches as early as the mid-80’s. One particular match that I will never forget, where the flag was being used, was the match between visiting champions of Yugoslavia, Vardar and, the Greek backed, Sydney Olympic at the St. George Budapest soccer stadium. Vardar was crowned champions of Yugoslavia for the season 1986/1987 so, my guess is that it must have been around 1987 that they toured Australia and played a number of friendly matches around the country with local teams.

                  This was the era of the “Golden Generation” and included the likes of Darko Pancev so the stadium was filled to capacity. The atmosphere was electric and the roar of the crowd chanting Vardar, Vardar, Vardar still echoes in my head to this day. I was there as a young child with my dad, a couple of my uncles and my grandfather and I distinctly remember the flags being waved around back then. Admittedly, there were a lot of the old Socialist Republic of Macedonia flags too at the match but they were in the minority.

                  BTW Amphipolis, the match finished up 0:0 and it was quite the disappointment for the majority of the crowd there that day. Especially considering the light work Vardar made of the rest of the teams they played against. Panchev rattled the cross bar on at least three occasions from what seemed like half way away and the Olympic goalkeeper had, what must have ben the best game of his life, with the number of certain goals he managed to save. But, unfortunately, it wasn’t to be. You should have seen the Greeks after the game as they made their way towards the exits. They were beside themselves with glee and couldn’t disguise their smug smiles at having kept the travelling Skopjans scoreless.

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                  • tchaiku
                    Member
                    • Nov 2016
                    • 786

                    #39
                    LOL I am probably the youngest in this forum.

                    BTW I didnt know Macedonians and Greeks had issues before the fall of Yugoslavia. (ex during 80s)
                    Last edited by tchaiku; 05-22-2018, 04:56 AM.

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                    • Rogi
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2008
                      • 2343

                      #40
                      The Macedonians and Greeks have had issues since at least the 1800's and particularly in the early 1900's, such as the massacre of Macedonians in Zagorichani at the hands of the Greeks.

                      These issues escalated further from 1913 as the systematic ethnocide of the Macedonian people, which continues Today.

                      This issues then escalated even further 1948 after the Macedonian genocide at the hands of the Greeks.

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                      • tchaiku
                        Member
                        • Nov 2016
                        • 786

                        #41
                        I know but I never heard anything about 80s. Because Macedonia was a part of Yugoslavia back than therefore things might have been more calm.

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                        • Pelagonija
                          Member
                          • Mar 2017
                          • 533

                          #42
                          Originally posted by Karposh View Post
                          Actually I remember seeing the flag being waved at soccer matches as early as the mid-80’s. One particular match that I will never forget, where the flag was being used, was the match between visiting champions of Yugoslavia, Vardar and, the Greek backed, Sydney Olympic at the St. George Budapest soccer stadium. Vardar was crowned champions of Yugoslavia for the season 1986/1987 so, my guess is that it must have been around 1987 that they toured Australia and played a number of friendly matches around the country with local teams.

                          This was the era of the “Golden Generation” and included the likes of Darko Pancev so the stadium was filled to capacity. The atmosphere was electric and the roar of the crowd chanting Vardar, Vardar, Vardar still echoes in my head to this day. I was there as a young child with my dad, a couple of my uncles and my grandfather and I distinctly remember the flags being waved around back then. Admittedly, there were a lot of the old Socialist Republic of Macedonia flags too at the match but they were in the minority.

                          BTW Amphipolis, the match finished up 0:0 and it was quite the disappointment for the majority of the crowd there that day. Especially considering the light work Vardar made of the rest of the teams they played against. Panchev rattled the cross bar on at least three occasions from what seemed like half way away and the Olympic goalkeeper had, what must have ben the best game of his life, with the number of certain goals he managed to save. But, unfortunately, it wasn’t to be. You should have seen the Greeks after the game as they made their way towards the exits. They were beside themselves with glee and couldn’t disguise their smug smiles at having kept the travelling Skopjans scoreless.
                          Karposh were you dissapointed when the Macos smashed the Greeks at st George stadium Olympic v Preston in 1990 in what was probably the biggest riot in Australian sport history? Hehe

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                          • Karposh
                            Member
                            • Aug 2015
                            • 863

                            #43
                            Originally posted by Pelagonija View Post
                            Karposh were you dissapointed when the Macos smashed the Greeks at st George stadium Olympic v Preston in 1990 in what was probably the biggest riot in Australian sport history? Hehe
                            I was at that game Pelagonija and I remember it vividly. Most of the Greeks were sitting in the grand stand while the Macedonians were spread out along the surrounding hills. The Greeks that got smashed that day were on the hill directly behind the Preston goal. BTW, I'm pretty sure the year was 1989 and not 1990. It was the year Andon Donchevski was coaching the team and Preston Makedonia were sitting pretty on top of the old NSL league ladder, thanks to the lethal goal-scoring combination of John Markovski and Warren Spink. Some highlights of the game included an old man scaling up the scaffolding that held the media platform for the TV Cameras, with the Macedonian flag draped over his shoulder, and calmly remaining there for the remainder of the match while proudly waving his flag - all to the frenzied and raucous approval of the crowd fifteen metres below him. I don't know if that old geezer actually knew it or not but he managed to gee-up the Macos even more, if that was at all possible, and an old fashioned soccer riot seemed just about inevitable by this point. The atmosphere was electric and you could sense that something was in the air and about to spark up. It was meant to be Olympic's home ground but all you could here was a thunderous "MAKEDONIJA, MAKEDONIJA, MAKEDONIJA!!!". The final spark came, not from Olympic's equaliser, but from the Greek idiots behind Preston's goal who decided to throw flares at Preston's very capable goalkeeper, Phil Traianedes (an Aegean Macedonian). I guess they failed to see the stupidity of their actions until it was too late because all of us Macos there that day took that as an attempt to smoke up Preston's goal in order to obscure his vision...And then it was on. Most of the smashing was actually done by big Steve (Bog da go prosti) that day and not even the undercover cops mixed in among the Macedonians could stop him. The cops pulled out their concealed batons and kept smashing Steve on the head but I don't think the guy even noticed until he saw the blood streaming from his head. The day finished up with the singing of patriotic Macedonian songs while a police helicopter circled closely above us and four to five captured Greek flags burned brightly in the fading light on the chainwire fence that surrounds the stadium.

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