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  • mango
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    • Feb 2010
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    The Macedonian Sun

    Kutlesh Sun found in Venice

    In Italian:

  • Brian
    Banned
    • Oct 2011
    • 1130

    #2
    mango, an English translation would be nice. www.translate.google.com It's not always perfect, but I don't know any better site.

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    Magdalene Bassani, Julius Testori
    The star of Alexander the Great in the cloister of St. Apollonia:
    two cases of returning an honorary monument to Roman

    In 1962, during some restoration work in the foundationsof the Basilica of San Marco, was discovered a stone slab, exterior side of the main apse. For the size and the decoration in relief, the plate was immediately judged as apiece of Roman production of particular importance,probably arrived in Venice as a reused material from some old perilagunare center: for the fine workmanship ofthe Proto Basilica Forlati Ferdinand, decided to expose the exhibit in the lapidary of the Cloister of Saint Apollonia(see the discovery of the plate in the "engram" No 67Mary's contribution Bergamo).




    Location of the point of discovery in plant and photograph of the excavation (Archive Procuratoria of San Marco)


    Of magnitude is not negligible, the plate, though fragmentary, has a frieze of two sides: on the long side of the face appear a largecircular shield with a central eight-pointed star, the imprint of a shin guard and part of a long spear; on the short side face left traces of a sword hanging from a baldric over a nail. The back of the sheet isnot working at the center and slightly convex.





    Only recently, the finding has been the subject of specific investigations, thanks to which it was possible to establish withcertainty the origin and the probable date of the material, recognize their iconographic elements, and then propose a hypothesis for the reconstruction of the monument to the cultural context and which the plate could belong. The petrographic analysis conducted by LAMA -Ancient Materials Analysis Laboratory - University IUAV of Venicehas found that the material is stone extracted from the quarries of Aurisina, a few kilometers from Trieste, the use of which is widelyattested in area high-Adriatic from the first century BC (see"engram" No. 67 the contribution of Lorenzo Lazzarini).


    The iconographic analysis conducted by the Centre of the UniversityIUAV classical studies, after recognizing the eight-pointed staremblem of the House argeade of Alexander the Great, based on a series of comparisons with the decorative programs of memorialsHellenistic and Roman (see the contribution of Bassani Magdalenein "engram" No. 67), recognized in the subject of the frieze - the remains of a shield and other weapons - the panoply of a warrior.The petrographic dating, with regard to cross-numismatic (which see in the "engram" No. 67 the contribution of James Calandra),leads us to limit the scope of the article timeline in the first centuryBC


    Lefkadia, Tomba di Lyson e Kallikles, lunetta meridionale (fine II secolo aC)




    Top: denarius of Caius Servilius, 53 BC (reverse); below: denarius of Octavian, 34. B.C. (reverse)


    The data so far collected and analyzed to make some assumptions allow reconstruction of the facility to which the plate was irrelevant: it was perhaps an honorary monument, or a funerary enclosure built to celebrate the value of a man of high rank, who wished to leave memory self using the emblem of Alexander the Great.

    It could be a character who boasted among the glories of their participation in the Bellum Macedonicum gens of the second century BC, or that he had personally fought in the campaigns of the Illyrian forties of the first century BC: the context in which such imagery would be more plausible is the 'entourage of Asinius Pollio, Caesar's right hand man, governor of Gaul, a man of fine culture and tastes filellenici, who was also on the ideological level, among the biggest supporters of the imperial model of Alexander (see "engram" No. 67 Magdalena's essay and the essay by Lorenzo Bassani Braccesi).

    The slab of St. Apollonia, who performs with the shield as an emblem of the Macedonian star, is an important witness to the early fortune of the late Republican myth of Alexander in the region of Venetia, at the turn of the century. B.C.
    graphic rendering

    Graphics have been made ​​two returns - based on the crossing between the iconographic studies and geometric survey of the plate - which offer two plausible assumptions about the monument (burial?) That owned the stone of St. Apollonia.

    In the first case (case A) it was assumed that the reference structure was a monument to die, a square of 10x12 Roman pedes (about 3x3 m, 5), many examples of the type known in the Italian territory, including the famous example Sarsina.




    In the second case (case B) it was thought that the plate was relevant to the decoration of a funerary enclosure: starting from the documentation relating to this type of Altino funeral, and in particular on the basis of data pertaining to the size of these structures, it is imagined a rectangular enclosure of 10x15 pedes (about 3x4 m, 5).







    The analysis of the proportions of the carved - the spear, shield and shin guard - suggest a single element, stone, about 3 meters wide, which was developed on the frieze of the whole panoply.

    The back of the plate, unprocessed, was probably joined to another structure walls: A hypothesis to a block of concrete, while in the B to a concrete wall covered on the outside and inside.

    The shape of the plate and the lateral portion of the frieze on the left allow you to place the fragment on a corner of the building. The size of the frieze and the same finding (1.18 m X1, 38) suggest an imposing structure, situated in a large space, which should also be visible from medium distance, probably along an important road trip.

    references

    Tirelli 2003
    Margherita Tirelli, fences del'Annia the necropolis: the exhibition hall of the elite status in "Terminavit sepulcrum". The tombs in the necropolis of Altino fences, edited by Margaret Brown and Giovanella Grow Tirelli, Proceedings of the Symposium, Venice 3 to 4 December 2003, Rome 2005, pp.. 251-273

    Mazzer 2005
    Andrea Mazzer, The funerary enclosure in Area Altinate. The entries with indication Pedatura, Venice 2005

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    • Bill77
      Senior Member
      • Oct 2009
      • 4545

      #3
      The eight pointed star was used by many, i understood the Macedonian star was 16 point.
      http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?p=120873#post120873

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      • Soldier of Macedon
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2008
        • 13670

        #4
        Both the 8-ray and 16-ray suns have been used by Macedonians.
        In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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        • Bill77
          Senior Member
          • Oct 2009
          • 4545

          #5
          Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View Post
          Both the 8-ray and 16-ray suns have been used by Macedonians.
          I agree (Macedonians also used the 8 ray), but wasn't the 16 exclusive to Macedonians?
          Last edited by Bill77; 01-27-2012, 09:48 PM.
          http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?p=120873#post120873

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          • Soldier of Macedon
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2008
            • 13670

            #6
            I am not sure if any of them were exclusive, but I am not aware of any other civilisation aside from Macedonian where such symbols are represented and identified on a national level.
            In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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            • mango
              Member
              • Feb 2010
              • 142

              #7
              Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View Post
              I am not sure if any of them were exclusive, but I am not aware of any other civilisation aside from Macedonian where such symbols are represented and identified on a national level.
              The author definitely attributes a Macedonian origin/connection.

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              • Soldier of Macedon
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2008
                • 13670

                #8
                Here are some pages from a Bulgarian archeological book on the Thracians. It was posted by TM a while back, I don't have the name of the book at the moment. In it, the Bulgarian scholars try and suggest that the Macedonian sun could also be called 'Thracian' because an 8-ray version of it has been found on Thracian territory.



                In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                • Soldier of Macedon
                  Senior Member
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 13670

                  #9
                  Here is an example of the sun on the back of Hector's shield:

                  Hector's last visit to his family before his duel with Achilles: Astyanax, on Andromache's knees, stretches to touch his father's helmet. Apulian red-figure column-crater, ca. 370–360 BC. From Ruvo. Stored in the Museo Nazionale of the Palazzo Jatta in Ruvo di Puglia (Bari).
                  In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                  • Dejan
                    Member
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 589

                    #10
                    Great find mango/SoM

                    On another note, does anyone know the meaning of the flower in the middle of the 16 ray sonce? I have heard that the correct colour of it should be purple, not sure why. The flower doesn't seem to be on the official original Macedonian flag, only a full yellow circle.
                    Last edited by Dejan; 09-23-2013, 08:45 PM.
                    You want Macedonia? Come and take it from my blood!

                    A prosperous, independent and free Macedonia for Macedonians will be the ultimate revenge to our enemies.

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                    • George S.
                      Senior Member
                      • Aug 2009
                      • 10116

                      #11
                      i read somewhere where the 8 ray sun was used by alexander.THe 16 ray sun was used by the macedonian royalty.The different rays represented the different macedonian tribesthe trojans worshipped the sun called apollo.They had a star sign on their shields.HOw is it that even the thracians used the sun symball & what did it confer.I supposed they regarded the sun as a god.THe greeks called the mount olimpia as olimp.I wonder if they knew it was the mountain of the "sun"??ol sun,ill sun Today you got olimpics Some may consider the olimpics as macedonia rather than greek as the greeks a very good copy cats. of gods etc.they call it their own. IN flowers i beleive they call them zdravets.
                      Last edited by George S.; 09-24-2013, 05:36 PM.
                      "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
                      GOTSE DELCEV

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                      • Soldier of Macedon
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 13670

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Dejan View Post
                        Great find mango/SoM

                        On another note, does anyone know the meaning of the flower in the middle of the 16 ray sonce? I have heard that the correct colour of it should be purple, not sure why. The flower doesn't seem to be on the official original Macedonian flag, only a full yellow circle.
                        Here is a close up snapshot from the tomb found at Kutlesh / Vergina.



                        There are two flowers, one on top of the other. The one on top appears to be blue. Even though it's too small to see, we have the same version of this sun in the MTO logo.
                        In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                        • TRAVOLTA
                          Member
                          • Nov 2009
                          • 504

                          #13
                          POMPEII.
                          Marcus Fabius Rufus House

                          Cubiculum II e style (part 76),
                          compared with Oplontis and interpretation
                          Contribution to read paintings II e Pompeian style

                          The author also notes the round shields curved Macedonian type, the clipei with an eight-pointed star in the center, which in Oplontis are sometimes faces, héroïsés ancestors ascended to heaven by Gilles Sauron, the clipeus its shape symbolizing alone the sky, according to the study. An image of clipei hanging height that are also found on this mural in the house of Marcus Fabius Rufus. Between this scene three doors and the presence of clipei hung high on the side, their iconographic language is virtually the same, at least allows for a comparison.


                          ne can recognize the image of the celestial sphere discussed with the blue circle surrounded by golden tight points around its circumference, perhaps an evocation of stars in the Milky Way, and the remaining three corners, and a rising moon waning moon on a diagonal with a "Macedonian" star diagonal to the other - what could be so dialectical antithesis and an image of the Sun, in split design. Without really able to interpret accurately and with certainty this image of the "other side" of the "scene" for the metaphor of the theater and the front stage, through the high window view, the reference to the sky of the beyond still seems fairly clear, with representation wearing almost abstract symbols - graphics - to summarize and discuss some cosmological conceptions, or pythagorisantes platonisantes.







                          POMPEII.
                          Marcus Fabius Rufus House

                          Cubiculum II e style (part 76),
                          compared with Oplontis and interpretation
                          Contribution to read paintings II e Pompeian style

                          Second part


                          Despite the presence of a circular temple ( tholos ) which can be seen by the base, visible in height,
                          the view that appears just above the two leaves is that of a sky. The clipeus center
                          could be an image of the sun at its zenith - the Macedonian star would have a solar value here,
                          as in the case of windows to open the cubicle components discussed here -
                          with its upward and downward phase summarized by garlands,
                          connecting the two griffins as guardians of the gates of the day or night, morning or evening, on each side.
                          Griffin This image marking the boundary of the day can be recognized later on the board of Apollo
                          and Phaeton Venus in Apollo's house Marcus Fabius Rufus (see next page) Oecus.

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