Gramos -Stronghold held by Macedonians during Civil War

[Risto the Great]

I dont know. Besides, its also a possibililty that other communist countries made those promises not the Greek Communists. In any case, I never did like KKE, if they did then they are indeed traitorous bastards.

An interesting perspective.
My opinion is quite different. They were practical people who knew they could mobilise a dominant grouping of people (Macedonians) by dangling a carrot for autonomy for the Macedonians. I believe some were honest about the arrangement but I also believe most were lying.

If you didn't like KKE you were then a Royalist. Please don't like me, you might want me gone as well.

[julie]

An interesting perspective.
My opinion is quite different. They were practical people who knew they could mobilise a dominant grouping of people (Macedonians) by dangling a carrot for autonomy for the Macedonians. I believe some were honest about the arrangement but I also believe most were lying.

If you didn't like KKE you were then a Royalist. Please don't like me, you might want me gone as well.

Same views here Risto, to all your comments

[makedonche]

RTG

I believe some were honest about the arrangement but I also believe most were lying.

What on earth would make you believe that?

[Risto the Great]

RTG
What on earth would make you believe that?

Well, there were bona fide communists whose beliefs transcended the concept of a Greek nation. Communist first, Greek second. Which is nothing like the Macedonians who were supposedly communists but were fighting for autonomy.

[George S.]

didn't they use the macedonians as cannon fodder & put them in the front lines.They made all kinds of wild promises of autonomy but they were outright lies merely to get cooperation of the macedonian people.It was a means to an end.

[Risto the Great]

Absolutely George.
Nothing is as simple as people make it. The Macedonians were making their last stand in my opinion. The USA determined the outcome.

[makedonche]

Well, there were bona fide communists whose beliefs transcended the concept of a Greek nation. Communist first, Greek second. Which is nothing like the Macedonians who were supposedly communists but were fighting for autonomy.

....so the Macedonians were pretending to be communists in order to get assistance for autonomy from the facists?

[Risto the Great]

I'm sure many Macedonians believed in the ideals of communism. They were poor people with limited options. I am equally sure they rated autonomy far higher than communism.

We all know Macedonian "communists" that have hoarded money over the last 50 years. Some of the richest members of our communities.

[makedonche]

RTG

We all know Macedonian "communists" that have hoarded money over the last 50 years. Some of the richest members of our communities.
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Now that's my kind of communism!

[El Bre]

I'm sure many Macedonians believed in the ideals of communism. They were poor people with limited options. I am equally sure they rated autonomy far higher than communism. We all know Macedonian "communists" that have hoarded money over the last 50 years. Some of the richest members of our communities.

Further to your point RtG, by the time the civil war rolled around you had guys travelling back and forth, or just sending money back between the new world to the villages for more than 50 years. While many people were indeed poor, there were other families who did quite well for themselves yet still had thier sons and daughters going into the hills with the partizani.

[Risto the Great]

yet still had thier sons and daughters going into the hills with the partizani.

Absolutely. For good reason too!

[George S.]

how about when they regular confiscation of money & beatings or taking of one's property by force

[Liberator of Makedonija]

There are Macedonians in Australia who held Gramos

[Solun]

There are Macedonians in Australia who held Gramos

Weren't the 13000 Macedonians on Gramos in 1949 dealt with by use of napalm?

Set up by KKE so as to have no means of escape.

[Stojacanec]

My father was saying that friends of our family were preparing to go to Solun to fight but they were told to go north into Yugoslavia.

They were under the impression they were going to help the Partisans in Aegean Macedonia against the Greek regime.