Modern Greece 1st constitution, a "Greek" is a Christian, 1827!

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  • Risto the Great
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    • Sep 2008
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    #16
    Originally posted by TerraNova View Post
    So..in the similar Macedonian uprising..Ilinden,
    is it mentioned that only Macedonians by genus can live in Macedonia?

    Is there any similar first constitution or smth ?
    The Macedonians never denied other people from being part of the uprising.
    The Kresna uprising revealed a document that would shame this pitiful attempt at establishing a nation Greece. But you would have to admit, this document is all about encouraging non-ethnic Greeks to "join the G team". Which is refreshing given the fact that (now) most Greeks claim Hellenic purity.

    Daskalot made it clear that Macedonians have allowed these people to remain. Quite possibly to our detriment, but to remove them would mean that we would have to remove facts from our history and replace them with myths. I think you know what I mean.
    Risto the Great
    MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
    "Holding my breath for the revolution."

    Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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    • TerraNova
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      • Nov 2008
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      #17
      Originally posted by Risto the Great View Post
      Daskalot made it clear that Macedonians have allowed these people to remain. Quite possibly to our detriment, but to remove them would mean that we would have to remove facts from our history and replace them with myths. I think you know what I mean.
      So...your history is free of myths...?

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      • Risto the Great
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2008
        • 15658

        #18
        In order to perpetuate a national identity, one must attempt to glorify and modernise historical events so they have modern relevance. Macedonia is not a pimple on Greece's arse in terms of myth creation. Do you dispute this?
        Risto the Great
        MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
        "Holding my breath for the revolution."

        Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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        • TerraNova
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          • Nov 2008
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          #19
          Originally posted by Risto the Great View Post
          In order to perpetuate a national identity, one must attempt to glorify and modernise historical events so they have modern relevance. Macedonia is not a pimple on Greece's arse in terms of myth creation. Do you dispute this?
          Ι believe that Greece was the first..teacher of myths in the Balcans.
          Macedonia is her last student,but i think she went too much over and already overcomed her teacher by far .(and still she goes further and further).

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          • Soldier of Macedon
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2008
            • 13670

            #20
            Terra Nova, Greece claims to have 97% purity, Macedonia recognizes all of her minorities, that alone shows the vast distance between our sane and rational thinking as compared to your misled delusions of granduer.

            Macedonians will claim what is Macedonian, we don't need to import 600,000 Asians and reshape them into ethnically pure morons to boost our claims. We have a neighbour that has done this, quite amusing in some ways, quite stupid in others.
            In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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            • Soldier of Macedon
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              • Sep 2008
              • 13670

              #21
              Very nice constitution by the way, nothing new to us, but nice to see it corroborated by the people it directly impacts. Hellenes, lol.....
              In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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              • TerraNova
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                • Nov 2008
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                #22
                Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View Post
                Macedonians will claim what is Macedonian, we don't need to import 600,000 Asians and reshape them into ethnically pure morons to boost our claims. We have a neighbour that has done this, quite amusing in some ways, quite stupid in others.
                These Asians....were just Greeks.
                They had an ethnic consciousness centuries before Krste Mrskov (1900+) expressed his pioneer ideas !

                Macedonian peasantry* on the other hand didnt develop ethnic consciousness before the 20th century!-as European travelers assure.
                Otherwise they wouldnt skip so easily from Patriarchists(=Greeks) to Exarchists (=Bulgarians)...

                And dont tell me they were doing it because they were threatened ,because Greeks in Asia Minor,lived 600-800 years under Turkish rule...and suffered much more-It would be the easy way to turn to Turks-change religion and language-but they didnt (as Macedonian peasantry easily did..)
                And they didnt cause they had an ethnic consciousness.

                *The Slavic speaking,because the Greek speaking had a clear consciousness-(Greek)

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                • makedonin
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                  • Sep 2008
                  • 1668

                  #23
                  Originally posted by TerraNova View Post
                  These Asians....were just Greeks.
                  They had an ethnic consciousness centuries before Krste Mrskov (1900+) expressed his pioneer ideas !
                  You mean those Greeks who had to learn to speak Greek

                  and those Karamanli people who were turkish speaking

                  Originally posted by TerraNova View Post
                  Macedonian peasantry* on the other hand didnt develop ethnic consciousness before the 20th century!-as European travelers assure.
                  Otherwise they wouldnt skip so easily from Patriarchists(=Greeks) to Exarchists (=Bulgarians)...

                  And dont tell me they were doing it because they were threatened ,because Greeks in Asia Minor,lived 600-800 years under Turkish rule...and suffered much more-It would be the easy way to turn to Turks-change religion and language-but they didnt (as Macedonian peasantry easily did..)
                  And they didnt cause they had an ethnic consciousness.

                  *The Slavic speaking,because the Greek speaking had a clear consciousness-(Greek)
                  No, those alledged Greeks in Asia Minor were Christian Turks affiliated with Patriarchist Church. Same as the Arvanites or the Vlachs (see here), they might called them Greeks cause they were affiliated with the Patriarchist Churc, but that does not makes them Greeks as you would like to depict them cause:

                  ............ the legacy of the Ottoman millet system which divided the empire's population according to religious affiliation, leading to a long-lasting correlation between religion and identity.
                  About the Ottoman Census see more here

                  And as for changing the Churches from Patriarchist to Exarchist, it was mostly out of Economical reasons.

                  Hammond (I ain't sure about the name) in his Macedonia describes a case of Bitola peasant,who told him a story about why his village came to be Exarchist i.e. Bulgarian.

                  In short, it was out of 3 reasons:

                  1) The Greek Priest was non reliable, and they asked for another priest but did not get any.
                  2) He was still costing 5 Pounds for the insufficient "services" he was giving.
                  3) The Bulgarians heard about it, and offered exclusive Priest for their own Village and he was for free, no costs at all.

                  On the end the Peasant said: so Sir, we are poor people and wan't to have own Priest, thus became Bulgarians i.e. Exarchists.

                  Go and blame the greedy and filty Patriarchist priest
                  To enquire after the impression behind an idea is the way to remove disputes concerning nature and reality.

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                  • TerraNova
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                    • Nov 2008
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                    #24
                    Originally posted by makedonin View Post

                    No, those alledged Greeks in Asia Minor were Christian Turks affiliated with Patriarchist Church. Same as the Arvanites or the Vlachs (see here), they might called them Greeks cause they were affiliated with the Patriarchist Churc, but that does not makes them Greeks as you would like to depict them cause:
                    I m sorry for you,but this Bullshit is just in your head.
                    Turkish speaking Karamanlis were about 50.000 out of 2.000.000 Greeks of Asia Minor and Eastern Thrace in 1912.

                    When did Turks became Christians?Baptized in your wet dreams?



                    And as for changing the Churches from Patriarchist to Exarchist, it was mostly out of Economical reasons.

                    Hammond (I ain't sure about the name) in his Macedonia describes a case of Bitola peasant,who told him a story about why his village came to be Exarchist i.e. Bulgarian.

                    In short, it was out of 3 reasons:

                    1) The Greek Priest was non reliable, and they asked for another priest but did not get any.
                    2) He was still costing 5 Pounds for the insufficient "services" he was giving.
                    3) The Bulgarians heard about it, and offered exclusive Priest for their own Village and he was for free, no costs at all.

                    On the end the Peasant said: so Sir, we are poor people and wan't to have own Priest, thus became Bulgarians i.e. Exarchists.

                    Go and blame the greedy and filty Patriarchist priest
                    You see the difference??
                    All these Greeks of Asia Minor stood on their feet-for centuries,and preserved their faith and language.
                    They wouldnt betray them for a loaf of bread...

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                    • makedonin
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2008
                      • 1668

                      #25
                      Originally posted by TerraNova View Post

                      You see the difference??
                      All these Greeks of Asia Minor stood on their feet-for centuries,and preserved their faith and language.
                      They wouldnt betray them for a loaf of bread...
                      Yeah right, just as those Greeks in National Geographic who had to learn Greek



                      or the Karamanli



                      and you dare talking about wet dreams

                      wonnabe Greeks.

                      keep paroting
                      Last edited by makedonin; 12-01-2008, 05:06 PM.
                      To enquire after the impression behind an idea is the way to remove disputes concerning nature and reality.

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                      • Risto the Great
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 15658

                        #26
                        Originally posted by TerraNova View Post
                        Otherwise they wouldnt skip so easily from Patriarchists(=Greeks) to Exarchists (=Bulgarians)...
                        Ummm, didn't the Hellenes switch from Paganism to Christianity and become Romioi?
                        Now they are Greeks.
                        What exactly is your point? And how is church allegiance significant?

                        Notwithstanding your mental deficiencies, it is refreshing to note that you describe the Christian Turks as Greeks. Some idiots from Turkey pretend they are Macedonians nowadays, so this is indeed a welcome change.
                        Risto the Great
                        MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
                        "Holding my breath for the revolution."

                        Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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                        • Soldier of Macedon
                          Senior Member
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 13670

                          #27
                          The imported Christians from Asia were from a rainbow of various ethnicities and linguistic groups, certainly not Greek in majority. Their Greek 'identity' is a CHRISTIAN identity, that is the basis of the population exchange of the 1920's between Greece and Turkey and hence the reason why till today, in Greece, the remnant leftovers of the Muslims that were not shipped off with the rest to Turkey, are still called Muslims rather than what most of them are, Turks, Pomaks, etc.

                          You're using old, recycled, and expired arguments to support your false assertions, one's that have been refuted long ago and since treated as the garbage that they are. So don't let it come as a suprise to you when your words are taken for the joke that they quite often are. You want to put your case across, use something credible, not this fantasy of 2 million long lost "Greeks" from Asia. It really has run its course and it is becoming tiresome to hear the same dribble time and again.
                          In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                          • TerraNova
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                            • Nov 2008
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                            #28
                            Originally posted by makedonin View Post
                            Yeah right, just as those Greeks in National Geographic who had to learn Greek



                            or the Karamanli



                            and you dare talking about wet dreams

                            wonnabe Greeks.

                            keep paroting
                            Hm..so many wannabe Greeks...

                            Everyone wishes to be Greek!

                            Seems like Greece is so cool then!

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                            • makedonin
                              Senior Member
                              • Sep 2008
                              • 1668

                              #29
                              Originally posted by TerraNova View Post
                              Hm..so many wannabe Greeks...

                              Everyone wishes to be Greek!

                              Seems like Greece is so cool then!
                              you wishes!

                              Those Turks got settled the Houses from the refugees and the expelled Moslems for free.

                              They recieved their lands and properties for free.

                              Ofcourse they would welcome the "Greekness" as theirs, since they got paid very well!

                              It is all about the money Not about some coolness of being Greek or any Romantic Idea you have about it!

                              Same goes for many Grkomani or Bugaromani from our own people.

                              And after some time, and maybe few generation, they have to defend that what they have became, cause they don't want the Truth to come out and show their dirty works.
                              Last edited by makedonin; 12-03-2008, 05:21 AM.
                              To enquire after the impression behind an idea is the way to remove disputes concerning nature and reality.

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                              • TerraNova
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                                • Nov 2008
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                                #30
                                Originally posted by makedonin View Post
                                you wishes!

                                Those Turks got settled the Houses from the refugees and the expelled Moslems for free.

                                They recieved their lands and properties for free.

                                Ofcourse they would welcome the "Greekness" as theirs, since they got paid very well!

                                It is all about the money Not about some coolness of being Greek or any Romantic Idea you have about it!

                                Same goes for many Grkomani or Bugaromani from our own people.

                                And after some time, and maybe few generation, they have to defend that what they have became, cause they don't want the Truth to come out and show their dirty works.
                                As for the Greeks of Asia Minor ,Constantinople and Eastern Thrace..believe me they left much more bigger and wealthier houses,farms and fortunes back in their homes.
                                Greeks were dominating trade (together with Jews) ,and they had much greater percentage in educated and middle class in the area ,comparing to Turks or Armenians.

                                So..they lost much more than the rocky fields and swamps they got in Greece.


                                How comes and the Greeks always have money..and pay Grrkkmmani ,or "Christian Turks"()))) ) or Arvanites and Vlachs ...?

                                On the other hand...why Greeks didnt change so easily ethnic consciousness???their neighbors were poor...?

                                You should work hard then...to make money,so when the time comes and the money is offered to you too... you ll stand up and won't sell your soul to the Hellenes! )
                                Last edited by TerraNova; 12-03-2008, 01:24 PM.

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