That video never panned around to fully show how many people were actually there. I wonder how many actual Macedonians were there. Very "Balkan" in character.
"Pride Parade" in Skopje
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Originally posted by vicsinad View PostGocka,
Counter protest was shown here, at the 1 minute mark:
https://www.rferl.org/a/skopje-holds.../30027539.html
Looks just as small as the pride march.
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Originally posted by Gocka View PostA few hundred pederi marching has absolutely no significance in relation to what happened or what is happening. Its not like there are no gay people in Macedonia.
I think we want to directly associate this to the name change but I don't think that is accurate. Those 400 gay people didn't change Macedonia's name.In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.
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Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View PostI am sure they exist in Macedonia, I just consider Macedonia's cultural identity more important than their right to impose their unconventional ways on a largely Orthodox Christian country that has centuries of traditional values in its history and is at a crossroads at the moment. Their timing couldn't be more horrible.
Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View PostIt's all relative. Those people may not have changed Macedonia's name but they supported those that did and are so thankful to the current regime that they've already adopted the northie moniker. That being the case, they are just as treacherous as the rest of the traitors.I know of two tragic histories in the world- that of Ireland, and that of Macedonia. Both of them have been deprived and tormented.
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Originally posted by Liberator of Makedonija View PostAgreed on the bad timing.
I consider them to be a class of people that were abandoned by Macedonian society which failed them completely.
There are quite a few very patriotic LGBT Macedonians in Melbourne but I understand the LGBT community in the Republic was continuously let-down by politicians.
Are they traitors? Yes. Are they on the same level as the politicians who sold us out? No.In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.
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Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View PostAnd not on the rest? I have ancestors who fought, bled and died for a Macedonia free to practice its own culture as far back as the 19th and 20th centuries. I have relatives in the 21st century who live in villages with conditions almost on par with some African countries and have had their inherited legacy dishonoured by traitors. And you want Macedonian society to give preference to people who exhibit a sexual predisposition to the same gender over their own dire concerns? Please. Let them live as they wish, however much at odds it is with Macedonian culture, but they are not and should not be the priority in tormented Macedonia.
Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View PostQuite a few? Clearly, you're exaggerating. And if there are such rare people it is only because they were brought up by patriotic families in Australia.
Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View PostWhy not? What makes them any different to the other traitors? Because they were marginalised by a previous government? They weren't the only group of people who felt that way. And if that is all it took for them to embrace the new regime and all of the treachery it entails, then they are absolutely on the same level as the other traitors.I know of two tragic histories in the world- that of Ireland, and that of Macedonia. Both of them have been deprived and tormented.
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Originally posted by Liberator of Makedonija View PostI too have ancestors who fought, bled and died for Macedonia. I also have family still living who fought for our country. I fail to see the relevance?
Why would I exaggerate that?
I personally know some LGBT Macedonians who proudly declare themselves to be just that, Macedonian, and are against what is happening over there.
I just can't view them on that level, the situation isn't as simple as that. I saw this all happening years ago, it could have been prevented back then.In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.
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Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View PostSo "quite a few" is now "some", fine. As for them being against it, shouldn't they be happier now that they can freely chassé themselves in colourful street marches in Skopje? How could they not be for North Macedonia?
Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View PostIt actually is as simple as that. Previous governments didn't pander to them and this one does. Now they embrace northism. But for argument's sake, let's say I am wrong. How could it have been prevented? What could the government have done? How do you see that lifestyle being compatible with Macedonian culture and mainstream Macedonian society?I know of two tragic histories in the world- that of Ireland, and that of Macedonia. Both of them have been deprived and tormented.
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Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View PostI am sure they exist in Macedonia, I just consider Macedonia's cultural identity more important than their right to impose their unconventional ways on a largely Orthodox Christian country that has centuries of traditional values in its history and is at a crossroads at the moment. Their timing couldn't be more horrible.
It's all relative. Those people may not have changed Macedonia's name but they supported those that did and are so thankful to the current regime that they've already adopted the northie moniker. That being the case, they are just as treacherous as the rest of the traitors.
What I am confused about is are you mad that they support the name change or that they are gay, or that they are publicly gay?
What do you mean by impose their ways?
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Originally posted by Liberator of Makedonija View PostYou make the mistake of assuming their sexuality is front and centre and supercedes their patriotism.
I saw on Facebook a notable from the LGBT community in the RoM who criticised the parades and attacked the government; he was against the name-change.
Furthermore I said there were quite a few patriotic LGBT Macedonians in Melbourne but that I personally only knew some of them.
Tolerance. They were continuously demonised by government and media alike, had they just been left alone the situation may be different now. I would say indifference would have been the best path as it avoided by antagonising conservatives and the community alike.In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.
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Originally posted by Gocka View PostGays in Macedonia have been repressed for a long time, it was only a matter of time until they emerged from the shadows.
I don't really know any gay Macedonians other than Meto at UMD, so I don't know what their stance is.
What I am confused about is are you mad that they support the name change or that they are gay, or that they are publicly gay?
What do you mean by impose their ways?In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.
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Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View PostDo you believe there is even a single participant of that parade who considers patriotism above their own sexual preference?
Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View PostWho is this brave soul?
Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View PostIf you don't know them all how can you claim there are "quite a few", the implication being that there are many of them?
Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View PostHow were they demonised by the government and media?I know of two tragic histories in the world- that of Ireland, and that of Macedonia. Both of them have been deprived and tormented.
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Originally posted by Liberator of MakedonijaThe amount of Macedonian articles I have seen in circulation lately actually referring to LGBT people as "devil worshippors" who are "doing the work of satan" is both laughable and sad.In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.
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Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View PostYou indicated that they have been demonised by the government. Can you point to a law in Macedonia which demonises them?I know of two tragic histories in the world- that of Ireland, and that of Macedonia. Both of them have been deprived and tormented.
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Didn't the previous collection of gypsies (DPmNE) seek to define what marriage wasn't. Arguably that was anti-LGBT. Not that I care.
The Macedonian parliament is soon expected to discuss the government's newly-submitted motion for a constitutional change aimed at ruling out same-sex marriage and gay adoption.
Either way, to rank the rights of LGBT higher than the right to be treated as humans mystifies me. Macedonians are ranked lower than any other human in any other nation simply because they have lost their sovereignty. Sure, anyone can line up and air their grievances, but it is disgusting to see the Severedonians simply accept their pathetic predicament.
Mind you, when I see the LGBT'+++++s marching in their pride marches and acting out all their copulation manoeuvres and kinky sex routines publicly, I am utterly disgusted and think they should be shot. But maybe I am getting old.Risto the Great
MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
"Holding my breath for the revolution."
Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com
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