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![]() In eastern and central Serbia, with variations.
And I'm not talking to you anymore. I don't like you.
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![]() This is isn't about the subject. Why do people always assume that I don't know. I just don't like you and that's it. I don't care about your knowledge or opinion on anything regardless if it is true or not, so that be the end of that.
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![]() And Jabolko is used in Slovenian language to,Serbs always tray to be something special so they use Jabuka and Vuk.
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![]() Both of you guys have made some good points. Slovak, when is the variant of 'Vuk' first attested? 19th century or earlier?
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![]() I can't tell. Until the early 19th century the folk language was not written in Serbia and the old literary Slavianoserbian used the older form "volk". I don't know about Croatian literature. Illyrian has many dialects, the bulk of them called Shtokavian (štokavski) that are separated into Old Shtokavian and Neo-Shtokavian. I do know that most Old Shtokavian use the syllabic /l/ as in "vlk", and have many other older features, that's why they are called Old. These include: slavonski, kosovsko-resavski, timočko-prizrenski (torlački), istočnobosanski, zetsko-sandžački, posavski (slavonski). The Neo-Shtokavian are: šumadijsko-vojvođanski, istočnohercegovački, ikavski zapadni i ikavski istarski. There are also the Chakvian (čakavski) and Kaykavian (kajkavski) dialects spoken in most of Croatia but these are transitional with Slovenian.
The Neo-Shtokavian dialects were used to form the Serbo-Croatian literary standard since they were more universal than the Old Shtokavian dialects. Hence why most people would say "vuk" insead of "vlk" or "volk", but that is not the case in most of rural Illyria where people use primarily their native dialects the cityfolk would have hard time understanding them anyway.
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The sources on Marko are scarce, I believe there may be some Latin sources and documents that speak briefly about him or his father. I will keep my eyes open.
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![]() Here is another source about King Marko, this time from the year 1601 by Mauro Orbini, the Croatian writer. I used google translate to convert the original and fixed the wording up a little, if there is anyone who can read Croatian or Serbian and would like to have a go at translating them better, let us know.
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![]() The above texts by Orbini suggest that there was indeed friction between the rulers of the Macedonian south and the Serbian north, which was romantically referred to as the land of (King) Stefan. A battle is also recorded as taking place at Kosovo between the two enemies. The brothers Volkasin and Uglesha are also spoken of as brave fighters against the Turks, although not much is mentioned about King Marko.
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