Anatomy of a bankrupt ideology

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  • Dimko-piperkata
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 1876

    Anatomy of a bankrupt ideology

    November 11, 2008
    By JS GANDETO


    Since the late eighties we have witnessed the creation of so-called "Macedonian" organizations throughout the world whose main objectives is to neutralize and or diffuse attention from the real Macedonians and their cause. In fact, they not only diffuse and distort the plight of the real Macedonians but go as far as to portray the Macedonians as "usurpers" of Greek history. This is a classic example of a thief´s mentality; in order to deflect attention from the crimes he has committed, the thief assumes the role of the victim and he cries foul.

    For example they claim that Republic of Macedonia, with 7,000 lightly armed soldiers, has territorial aspirations towards Greece with more then 250,000 soldiers armed with the latest military hardware, purchased from Russia and France with European dollars, when in fact it was the Greek army displaying her military might by holding military exercise in Northern Greece where the predominant population of the region is ethnic Macedonians.

    Furthermore, they have plastered the walls of Salonika airport welcoming visitors with "Macedonia is Greece" signs when they know that Greece obtained Macedonian territory for the first time after the spoils of the Balkan Wars. (Common wisdom dictates that when one is overly eager to convince you of something, then, the same person, inadvertently, admits the opposite). When modern Greece was created by western powers and Russia in 1829, Greece did not cry foul, did not object to not obtaining Macedonia nor did she asked to "liberate" the Macedonian land. As a matter of fact, in 1912-13 after the Balkan Wars the Greek king referred to the newly obtained Macedonian territory as the "occupied land".

    Also, they stubbornly cling to this absurd notion that Tito created the Macedonians in 1941. First and foremost, one cannot create something out of nothing; that is utterly impossible because it contradicts all known physical, social and even political thinking. Ask yourselves the following question: From what ethnic groups did Tito created the Macedonians? Where they Greeks? Were they Bulgarians, Serbians, Romas, Vlachs, Albanians and any other ethnic groups that lived on the land called Macedonia? Which one of these ethic groups was gullible enough to buy into Tito´s plan? If in fact he created the Macedonians from any of the above groups, then, why do we still find these same ethnic groups living in Macedonia after Tito´s creation? What about those other countless examples where people were buried as Macedonians much before Tito was born?

    Organizations, like AMAC, PMO and others have been created simply to blur the line between real and artificially created issues, namely to promote and disseminate dictates from Athens in order to further their (Megali Idea) propaganda and confuse and mask the real problem; the recognition of the ethnic Macedonians living in Greece.

    The mere fact that nationalistic, fascist groups openly operate and are being sponsored by Athens government speaks volumes of the deficiency of democracy in Greece. When a leading Athenian newspaper "Stohos" calls for extermination of "national traitors" and prints the names and the addresses of ethnic Macedonians who openly declare their Macedonian ethnicity, and there is no reaction from the government, one has no other recourse but to conclude the obvious: Stohos is an extension of Athens policies.

    Instead of "digging dirt" for another nation, the so-called "Australian Macedonian Advisory Council" (they are neither Macedonian nor advisory; the only advice they can dispense is through packaged ready-made instruction on falsifications of history and the distortion of facts), should take a good analytical approach at their own nation building tracks and ask themselves the following two questions:

    (a) What do we have in common with the Ancient Macedonians and

    (b) What have we done to all the different ethnic minority groups who lived and are still living, albeit not recognized, in Greece?



    Fact is that Greece has no connection with the Ancient Macedonians and therefore has no historical rights to the name or the land of Macedonia. Greece has nothing in common with the ancient Macedonians. Ancient Macedonians were neither Greeks nor have they ever considered Greece as their own motherland.

    Read some of the anecdotes recorded and preserved by Greek and Roman biographers. Read (if you can find it; your government has taken care of it) Karagatsis´ book where he states "It is an illusion to think that ancient Macedonians were Greeks". Read epitaphs erected on behalf of the fallen Hellenes who died fighting the Macedonians for the liberty of Hellas. Try to come to terms with the fact that Hellenes were not willing participants with Alexander´s expedition to Asia. They were mere hostages for the good behavior of the mainland Greeks. Greeks were fighting Alexander in Asia; think about your warrior, Darius´ satrap, Memnon. Think of more then 50,000 Greeks with Darius fighting and opposing Alexander and his Macedonians. Think hard as to why Alexander dismissed the Greek soldiers. Spend some time rationalizi ng as to why Bosworth states that "Greek soldiers with Alexander were absent from any major battles in Asia". See if you can come to grips with this statement: Lamian War that Greeks fought against Antipater from Macedonia was also known as the "Hellenic War". Greece was a conquered territory, a territory won by the Macedonian spear. Macedonia was never a member of any Hellenic organizations. In Corinth when Philip "united" the Greeks, he, Philip, went to the congress accompanied by his army. When you site that Alexander I went to the Olympic Games think again: why did the participants refuse to compete against him? And if you still want t o use this invented episode as a litmus for Greekness, think again: If Macedonians were allowed to participate in the Olympic Games, reserved for the Hellenes only, ask yourself why did Archelaus, the Macedonian King found his own Macedonian Olympic Games at Dion? Ponder this too: if Ancient Macedonians were allowed to compete at the Olympic Games of the Hellenes, there would have not been any medals left for the Greeks.

    By claiming the ancient Macedonians as Greeks, the Greek government hopes to:

    (a) Retain the financial advantage it has gained,

    (b) Hold on the land of Macedonia obtained in 1913 and

    (c) Negate the existence of today´s ethnic Macedonians living in Greece.

    The members of the Australian Advisory Council should ask themselves the following:

    (a) Why there are no ethnic minorities in Greece when practically there is no country in the world without any? How is it possible for a place like the Balkans, the crossroads to Asia or Europe, to not have ethnic minorities? How is it possible that only Greece is populated by pure, genuine, 100% Greeks? And

    (b) What has happened to the ethnic minority groups who populated Greece before the Megali Idea? What has happened to the culture and the language of the Albanians, Macedonians, Turks, Pomaks, Vlachs, Romas and others who were there before 1829? Don´t these people deserve to have their own language, customs, rituals, songs and dances preserved? What about their cultural heritage? What about their innermost feelings as human beings?

    (c) Instead promoting KKK ideology, you should turn around and embrace the Republic of Macedonia. She is the only true friend you have in the region. Think again and envision what would be like for Greece if Macedonia becomes what you wished her to become; you will be surrounded by your worst nightmare. Cherish the fact that you have the ethnic Macedonians in Greece still peaceful and civ ilized. Extend to them what is only theirs to begin with; their human rights as citizen of Greece. After all, your house is not made of glass, is it?
    1) Macedonians belong to the "older" Mediterranean substratum...
    2) Macedonians are not related with geographically close Greeks, who do not belong to the "older" Mediterranenan substratum...
  • Risto the Great
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 15658

    #2
    By claiming the ancient Macedonians as Greeks, the Greek government hopes to:

    (a) Retain the financial advantage it has gained,

    (b) Hold on the land of Macedonia obtained in 1913 and

    (c) Negate the existence of today´s ethnic Macedonians living in Greece.
    Their only argument it appears is based on ancient history. And it is a weak one. People like Giorikas even refuse to discuss history that is 1500 years old in Macedonia because it does not suit the modern Greek agenda.

    Good article, thanks Dimko.
    Risto the Great
    MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
    "Holding my breath for the revolution."

    Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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    • Pelister
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2008
      • 2742

      #3
      It's a historical arguement - and Modern Greece loses on that count.

      (b) What has happened to the ethnic minority groups who populated Greece before the Megali Idea? What has happened to the culture and the language of the Albanians, Macedonians, Turks, Pomaks, Vlachs, Romas and others who were there before 1829? Don´t these people deserve to have their own language, customs, rituals, songs and dances preserved? What about their cultural heritage? What about their innermost feelings as human beings?
      Where have they gone?

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      • Venom
        Member
        • Sep 2008
        • 445

        #4
        Originally posted by Risto the Great View Post
        Their only argument it appears is based on ancient history. And it is a weak one. People like Giorikas even refuse to discuss history that is 1500 years old in Macedonia because it does not suit the modern Greek agenda.

        Good article, thanks Dimko.
        Man I have been saying this for ages now. We can sit and argue what happened 3000 years ago for another 3000 years (and they'd still lose).

        But there is no denying the fact about what happened in 1913.

        Fuck, most greeks in the know even admit what happened.
        S m r t - i l i - S l o b o d a

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        • osiris
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2008
          • 1969

          #5
          exactly thats what my fathers argument has been aall his life, we dont know and may never knowwho was what in ancient times , but we sure as hell know what happened from 1800 to now.

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          • Pelister
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2008
            • 2742

            #6
            Originally posted by Dimko-piperkata View Post
            This is one of the best articles I have read in a while.

            Greece can physically remove the Macedonians and any trace of them - but the real threat isn't physical, its ideological.

            We need to stop thinking we can't win the history battle or expose the lies of Greece. I like this article because that is what it does.

            We need to send a message that the theft and robbery of Macedonian identity - has the full support of the E.U - and the Macedonians can begin by asking for the land back in Greek occupied Macedonia ! Secondly, it should change its flag and return to the Constitution of 1991.

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            • Demos
              Banned
              • Dec 2008
              • 325

              #7
              Originally posted by Pelister View Post
              This is one of the best articles I have read in a while.

              Greece can physically remove the Macedonians and any trace of them - but the real threat isn't physical, its ideological.

              We need to stop thinking we can't win the history battle or expose the lies of Greece. I like this article because that is what it does.

              We need to send a message that the theft and robbery of Macedonian identity - has the full support of the E.U - and the Macedonians can begin by asking for the land back in Greek occupied Macedonia ! Secondly, it should change its flag and return to the Constitution of 1991.

              Pelister,

              You should stop by the Greek PM's office and just ask for Macedonian lands back in Greek occupied Macedonia. I'm sure he'll have no problem giving you 30-40% of Greece with the stroke of a pen. Maybe if you ask nicely he'll even by you lunch...

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              • Jankovska
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2008
                • 1774

                #8
                Originally posted by Demos View Post
                Pelister,

                You should stop by the Greek PM's office and just ask for Macedonian lands back in Greek occupied Macedonia. I'm sure he'll have no problem giving you 30-40% of Greece with the stroke of a pen. Maybe if you ask nicely he'll even by you lunch...
                Don't you worry we will get there, the end of facisam is coming. you can not make people be something they are not, we will unite. Oh and by the way iit's 51% of our land

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