Republic of Macedonia's EU and NATO Strategies

[George S.]

nikola gruevski is a huuuge embarrasmentdo you think Macedonia can be admitted to the eu/nato under its constitutional name.Who can really deny a name to its people.You know that nikola suggested a compound formula RoM (sckopje) Greece said no.You know Greece can accept the constitutional name due to guarantees Macedonia has got ,Greece has forced little Macedonia to back away from any irrendist claims.You know Greece regularly enters Macedonian air space & does not follow protocol.not only civil aircraft but military greek airforce fly over Macedonian airspace regularly.DO you think Macedonia h as got the power to do anything??Do you think Macedonia can stand up to Greece which is more than twenty times the size of Macedonia.We aren't even looking at the recent tanks it bought with eu money.Do you realise its in your country's hands to do what is right.NO one has said that we object to Greece's province of Macedonia.seriously we don't pose any threat to Greece militarily.Think about it only if Greece could do the right thing by Macedonia & not impede Macedonia.THere would peace & prosperity for all.WHO VISITS
Greece the most on their holidays??the Macedonians & the stupid so & sos get their cars damaged.I rest my case Greece must act in the interst of the region & not impede anymore like you say we got the Albanians to contened with.yt ou know who Greece fears most is not the Macedonian army but the police which is in excess of 10k the reason being is the greeks feel they might arrest them.
Like you say if this golden dawn gets in there will be hell for Macedonians. dawn THe golden dawn will have their own agenda for their minorities.

[Risto the Great]

In the island my family comes from they call themselves Endopi (Natives) as apposed to those from other parts of Greece. In Makedonia there are endopi (Natives) of differing stock. One of those stocks are Greeks.

What bullshit, everyone knows who we are talking about when using that moronic term in the Macedonian region.

[Vangelovski]

I've read 1984 in university. I have also read Anthony Burgess' "1985" a critique of "1984" and proposed response to it.

"1984" was written by George Orwell in 1948, he simply reversed the last two numbers. What Orwell was describing in his book "1984" was the future under communism. A fate that Greece escaped. In that world Big Brother controlled everything, (think Tito, and Stalin). It was a world where 1+1=3.

These two men formed the societies and thinking of Yugoslavia and Eastern Block Countries

Confusion still reins and you still can't address that white elephant...rather, you respond with something completely irrelevant.

[Vangelovski]

In Makedonia there are endopi (Natives) of differing stock. One of those stocks are Greeks.

Now for the million dollar question: What is the other stock? Get this one right and you stay on, get it wrong and your gone

[Poligiros]

In the island my family comes from they call themselves Endopi (Natives) as apposed to those from other parts of Greece. In Makedonia there are endopi (Natives) of differing stock. One of those stocks are Greeks.

Great point, from a chilld I remember my grandparents being described as an "Endopi oikogeneia" (native family) in our town and from the Halkidiki region, we weren't part of the karamanlides (who came from Asia minor) to populate the new towns.

To my "Endopi" applies to native people throughout the Hellenic republic.

[Stojacanec]

NG

There are so many anomalies in what you are saying, it’s not funny.

When I say I'm Macedonian to a modern greek they always push the Yugoslavian idea or Skopje for some reason. No matter who I talk to. Looks like the national and international curriculum teaching new greeks in the Diaspora is consistent.

You tell me your confused, no, rather people like you want to confuse the issue.

You therefore sound like a typical greek to me.

I am from just over the border in R.Macedonia. My parents and relatives have plenty of examples and actual accounts of the change in landscape of aegean Macedonia. Macedonia is a new concept to you greeks.

A polish client of mine married to a greek owns a house in Aegean Macedonia (Hilikidiki). She explains to me that people from A.Macedonia now want to be referred to as Macedonians - "to distinguish from the Athenians" etc. She further explains that they copied us (in calling themselves Macedonians)

Now why would you suppose people speak like this if you’re all from ancient greek stock?

Maybe this is person that didn't attend greek school.

[Nikola Gruevski]

Now for the million dollar question: What is the other stock? Get this one right and you stay on, get it wrong and your gone

Yes, Vangelovski. As per your rules Macedonians are also Endopi. You can add Vlah and others.

Endopi is a relative term which applies to many people over the course of time, especially in the region of Macedonia which is a crossroad for various races and ethnicities.

[Vangelovski]

Yes, Vangelovski. As per your rules Macedonians are also Endopi. You can add Vlah and others.

Endopi is a relative term which applies to many people over the course of time, especially in the region of Macedonia which is a crossroad for various races and ethnicities.

That's not what I was asking you and I think you are very well aware of that. I'll give you one more go.

[Phoenix]

Yes, Vangelovski. As per your rules Macedonians are also Endopi. You can add Vlah and others.

Endopi is a relative term which applies to many people over the course of time, especially in the region of Macedonia which is a crossroad for various races and ethnicities.

The Vlach are relative newcomers to the region, having said that, the Vlasi have probably been there 800 years longer than most of the mob you're batting for champ...

[Nikola Gruevski]

NG

There are so many anomalies in what you are saying, it’s not funny.

When I say I'm Macedonian to a modern greek they always push the Yugoslavian idea or Skopje for some reason. No matter who I talk to. Looks like the national and international curriculum teaching new greeks in the Diaspora is consistent.

You tell me your confused, no, rather people like you want to confuse the issue.

You therefore sound like a typical greek to me.

I am from just over the border in R.Macedonia. My parents and relatives have plenty of examples and actual accounts of the change in landscape of aegean Macedonia. Macedonia is a new concept to you greeks.

A polish client of mine married to a greek owns a house in Aegean Macedonia (Hilikidiki). She explains to me that people from A.Macedonia now want to be referred to as Macedonians - "to distinguish from the Athenians" etc. She further explains that they copied us (in calling themselves Macedonians)

Now why would you suppose people speak like this if you’re all from ancient greek stock?

Maybe this is person that didn't attend greek school.

On my family's island there is a older friend of mine that married a endopia. He is a Greek from Makedonia and the endopi of the island call him a Bulgarian.

I think Gotse Delchev had his opinions on Macedonians as well. As i said before in Athens while I was in school, the Greeks of Macedonia were Makedoni.

They are not copying anyone. They are reasserting there heritage in the face of a foreign threat.

[Nikola Gruevski]

The Vlach are relative newcomers to the region, having said that, the Vlasi have probably been there 800 years longer than most of the mob you're batting for champ...

Sources please

[Vangelovski]

NG, ignoring my question will not help you.

[Nikola Gruevski]

NG, ignoring my question will not help you.

Greeks, Macedonian, Vlahs.....who else? Albanians, I don't thing so. I am legitimately stumped.

Who?

[Vangelovski]

Greeks, Macedonian, Vlahs.....who else? Albanians, I don't thing so. I am legitimately stumped.

Who?

You said that there are two stocks of Macedonians in Greece and claim that one of those stocks are Greek. What are the other stock of Macedonians - according to you?

[Nikola Gruevski]

You said that there are two stocks of Macedonians in Greece and claim that one of those stocks are Greek. What are the other stock of Macedonians - according to you?

Slavaphones? Serbo-Bulgari? Which of these are you talking about? These constitute my view. More Serbo-Bulgari as I know of Slavaphones with a hardcore Greek identity.