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  • Serdarot
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    • Feb 2010
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    Discussion on languages and etymologies

    Well, i am sick of some ignorance.

    I am sorry, but it is nessesary to speak Macedonian to understand the following text. If you do, feel free to make any comments / join discusion.

    Bez Vlakna na Jazikot.

    I will start with the "Beginning"

    Od Prvoto.

    Proto(s)

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    proto-
    comb. form meaning "first," from Gk. proto-, comb. form of protos "first," superlative of pro "before."
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    pro- (pro-2)

    a prefix identical in meaning with pro-1, occurring in words borrowed from Greek (prodrome) or formed of Greek (and occasionally Latin) elements.
    Origin:
    < Gk, comb. form of pró for, before; see pro1

    Greek?

    let see

    pr-v-oto
    pr-ī-oto

    pr-voto dete vo MNOGU Makedonski dijalekti se izgovara

    "prīoto dete" , "v" se "gīta"

    oti ne "Macedon Origin"?

    oti ne Sanskrit Origin?

    pra =

    1 ind. before ; forward , in front , on , forth (mostly in connection with a verb , esp. with a verb of motion which is often to be supplied ; sometimes repeated before the verb cf. Pa1n2. 8-1 , 6 ; rarely as a separate word e.g. AitBr. ii , 40) ; as a prefix to subst. = forth , away cf. %{pra-vRtti} , %{pra-sthAna} ; as pref. to adj. = excessively , very , much cf. %{pra-caNDa} , %{pra-matta} ; in nouns of relationship = great- cf. %{pra-pitAmaha} , %{pra-pautra} ; (`" according to native lexicographers it may be used in the senses of %{gati} , %{A-rambha} , %{ut-karSa} , %{sarvato-bhAva} , %{prAthamya} , %{khyAti} , %{ut-patti} , %{vy-avahAra}) RV. &c. &c. [Cf. %{puras} , %{purA} , %{pUrva} ; Zd. {fra} ; Gk. $ ; Lat. {pro} ; Slav. {pra-} , {pro-}
    we see, Pra = "pra" and "pro" on "Slav"!

    pra = purva
    purva = prva

    prīa

    Macedonian is not equal with the sanskrit, but they are very similar.

    The Sanskrit is much older than the "ancient greek"

    Seems Macedonian too

    Prīoto
    Prīo
    Prīva
    Prīa

    Makedonski

    not Proto, "greek"
    Last edited by Serdarot; 04-06-2010, 09:07 AM.
    Bratot:
    Никој не е вечен, а каузава не е нова само е адаптирана на новите услови и ќе се пренесува и понатаму.
  • Serdarot
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    • Feb 2010
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    #2
    And before someone writes "alav da ti e"

    Alav
    Alaf

    or Alfa?

    or Alef?

    What is Alaf? Alfa? Alef?

    Beside using it for expressing adorance and gratitude (alaf da mu e ; alaf ti vera ako ja storis ta rabota), it is also expresing kind of "blessing", good will / wishes.

    A-laf

    if we concider that we use "laf" for "zbor" / "duma" / "word", and "A" simbolize the first, the beginning, or God (couse God was on the beginning)...

    And following the Book of Genesis - God spoke the First Word...

    and if you concider that when we pronounce a word, when we speak, we produce sounds, Waves, and wave is "val", beside "bran" , "dal-ga" and "tal"...

    A-Laf

    First Word
    Godīs Word

    it can not be conincidence that val = wave, lav/f = word

    Macedonian is VERY old language.

    p.s.

    dont want some1 to think i want to say Macedonian was the first this or that.

    i only analize the meanings of some words. On Macedonian, A-lav can / probably means the first word.

    and prīoto means prvoto, proto

    thatīs all

    samo toa lafa ^^
    Last edited by Serdarot; 04-04-2010, 10:30 PM.
    Bratot:
    Никој не е вечен, а каузава не е нова само е адаптирана на новите услови и ќе се пренесува и понатаму.

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    • Serdarot
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      • Feb 2010
      • 605

      #3
      about the following we can only laugh

      already wrote on some other topic

      Nie Merime So Mera , Na-mera, so nu-mera (nummer, number).
      Na-meri edno kilo zīta i kazi cena so nu-meri. so-beri so-broi , zbroi

      what can be further object of interest is the Algebra

      Algebra



      Algebra is the branch of mathematics concerning the study of the rules of operations and relations, and the constructions and concepts arising from them, including terms, polynomials, equations and algebraic structures. Together with geometry, analysis, topology, combinatorics, and number theory, algebra is one of the main branches of pure mathematics.
      Macedonian

      so-beri
      so-bra
      na-bra
      gi na-bra, gi so-bra, so-broi, z-broi
      gi-bra

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      algebra

      1550s, from M.L. from Arabic al jebr "reunion of broken parts," as in computation, used 9c. by Baghdad mathematician Abu Ja'far Muhammad ibn Musa al-Khwarizmi as the title of his famous treatise on equations ("Kitab al-Jabr w'al-Muqabala" "Rules of Reintegration and Reduction"), which also introduced Arabic numerals to the West.
      what is re-union if not "bere-nje, bra-nje" of parts?

      Al-ge-bra , definitly connected with " bra" = "berenje" / "bra-nje" / "sobiranje" / broenje

      Al-go-ritam

      Al-go-redam?
      Bratot:
      Никој не е вечен, а каузава не е нова само е адаптирана на новите услови и ќе се пренесува и понатаму.

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      • Soldier of Macedon
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        • Sep 2008
        • 13670

        #4
        Interesting conclusions Serdarot.

        Just an observation, the word "Pr(v)o" is an Indo-European word, and all relative languages use variants of the same word.
        In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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        • Serdarot
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          • Feb 2010
          • 605

          #5
          Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View Post
          Interesting conclusions Serdarot.

          Just an observation, the word "Pr(v)o" is an Indo-European word, and all relative languages use variants of the same word.
          exactly that is my point, between the others

          so many things are titled "greek" , without any scientific or logic background.

          how can "PRO-" be described as "greek" or that is has "greek" origin?

          that is the ignorance i am talking about.

          the german-british romantics (like Byron) created the "greek myth"

          hunderts (or thousands) of "scientist" were given the asignement to give to the myth a solid background.

          now we have for so many "greek" words and "greek" achievments, but if you dig a bit, if you search for meaning, logic, prooves or "nauchna izdrzanost" , you get

          unknown
          arhaic
          "it is greek, everyone knows that"

          weīll, i need more, much more than that.

          i need some LOGIC and cold-blooded SCIENTIFIC work.

          much more to come, and i hope Homer and few other will join this topic

          Po Zdrav
          Bratot:
          Никој не е вечен, а каузава не е нова само е адаптирана на новите услови и ќе се пренесува и понатаму.

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          • Homer MakeDonski
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            • Jan 2010
            • 103

            #6
            Here I am ,reading you well.
            Homer MakeDonski stuck with researches over the letter h adaptation onto our Macedonian mother tongue.
            Theόs -Deus over possible origin and meaning

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            • Homer MakeDonski
              Member
              • Jan 2010
              • 103

              #7
              Right let see..

              pro ,aglebra, ..nice one
              for pro I would like to add some of Bratot post

              al (si) gi (z)bra(L)

              which you collected ,and

              all of them gathered nicely



              Why pro is taken as greek word?
              To answer that question we have to focus at last letter o and to observe it as oy diphthong created of two sounds o + y

              To do this we have to add Phoenician letter diagma
              Y

              Firstly I will pointed at
              Bratot nice Y explanation post


              than we could have followed situation
              pro + Y or pr+oy
              *Proy

              Over diagma chronology


              Diagma used to pronounce as our softly "V" letter

              Digamma disappeared from the alphabet because the sound it notated, the voiced labial-velar approximant [w], had disappeared from the Ionic dialect and most of the others.

              Digamma, like Upsilon, derives from the Phoenician letter Waw, and in its turn gave rise to the Roman letter F.

              The sound /w/ existed in Mycenean Greek, as attested in Linear B and archaic Greek inscriptions using digamma. It is also confirmed by the Hittite name of Troy, Wilusa, corresponding to the Greek name *Wilion.


              It has been surmised that in this dialect the sound /w/ may have changed to labiodental [v] in some environments. The F-shaped letter may have stood for the new [v] sound

              The digamma survives even today as /v/ in the Modern Greek Tsakonian dialect, the only dialect not descended from ancient Koine Greek, the famous, and only, example being βάννε /'vannε/ ("lamb" for standard Greek αρνί) (cf. Cretan ϝαρήν).
              Why do we need this searches ?
              Because , only at this way *Proy is mixing well with
              Sanskrit
              1 ind. before ; forward , in front , on , forth (mostly in connection with a verb , esp. with a verb of motion which is often to be supplied ; sometimes repeated before the verb cf. Pa1n2. 8-1 , 6 ; rarely as a separate word e.g. AitBr. ii , 40) ; as a prefix to subst. = forth , away cf. %{pra-vRtti} , %{pra-sthAna} ; as pref. to adj. = excessively , very , much cf. %{pra-caNDa} , %{pra-matta} ; in nouns of relationship = great- cf. %{pra-pitAmaha} , %{pra-pautra} ; (`" according to native lexicographers it may be used in the senses of %{gati} , %{A-rambha} , %{ut-karSa} , %{sarvato-bhAva} , %{prAthamya} , %{khyAti} , %{ut-patti} , %{vy-avahAra}) RV. &c. &c. [Cf. %{puras} , %{purA} , %{pUrva} ; Zd. {fra} ; Gk. $ ; Lat. {pro} ; Slav. {pra-} , {pro-}
              pra=pruva
              where we have excellent equality in between
              pruva and prov ,both meaning first ,where
              pruva standing for f her
              prov standing for m he

              Present Macedonian
              pruva=prva =first
              prov=prv = first .

              At this way we have got lovely jovely grounds what support
              dictionary descriptions given for "Beginning " or Greek and Latin words borrowed form Macedonian language at the past.


              Proto(s)

              http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?...earchmode=none

              proto-

              comb. form meaning "first," from Gk. proto-, comb. form of protos "first," superlative of pro "before."
              http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/proto-
              http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pro-


              pro- (pro-2)


              a prefix identical in meaning with pro-1, occurring in words borrowed from Greek (prodrome) or formed of Greek (and occasionally Latin) elements.
              Origin:
              < Gk, comb. form of pró for, before; see pro1

              Cutting of Y hiding a lot of it
              Last edited by Homer MakeDonski; 04-06-2010, 02:02 PM.

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              • Homer MakeDonski
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                • Jan 2010
                • 103

                #8
                Koine aka Greek ?

                βάννε /'vannε/ ("lamb" for standard Greek αρνί) (cf. Cretan ϝαρήν).
                Koine aka Greek ?
                f@cking official etymologists and all Western propaganda

                changes of V -J onto presen day Macedonian
                eg.
                Vaglen -Jaglen = Coal
                vaze-jaze = rope

                Let's see Koine word
                βάννε /'vannε/
                and change the first letters
                β/v -J
                βάννε /'vannε/
                [Javve or janne aka jagne =lamb

                todays Greek language will state αρνί=lamb

                todays Macedonian will state jagne =lamb
                janne as wery close to present Bosnians dialectical *jannje or
                janje= lamb
                Last edited by Homer MakeDonski; 04-06-2010, 02:37 PM.

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                • Serdarot
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                  • Feb 2010
                  • 605

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Homer MakeDonski View Post
                  Koine aka Greek ?
                  f@cking official etymologists and all Western propaganda

                  changes of V -J onto presen day Macedonian
                  eg.
                  Vaglen -Jaglen = Coal
                  vaze-jaze = rope

                  Let's see Koine word
                  βάννε /'vannε/
                  and change the first letters
                  β/v -J
                  βάννε /'vannε/
                  [Javve or janne aka jagne =lamb

                  todays Greek language will state αρνί=lamb

                  todays Macedonian will state jagne =lamb


                  todays Macedonian will also state: vela (vala?) alav da i e na ofcana sho obja(g)na dve ja(g)ninja, prīoto mīshko, ītoroto zhencko.

                  to repeat, when we speak, we create waves with their own frequencies and range.

                  several "slavic" languages have "val" / "valovi" , and "tal" / "talasi"
                  we have DAL-ga... for WAVES
                  Bratot:
                  Никој не е вечен, а каузава не е нова само е адаптирана на новите услови и ќе се пренесува и понатаму.

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                  • Serdarot
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                    • Feb 2010
                    • 605

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Homer MakeDonski View Post
                    Homer MakeDonski stuck with researches over the letter h adaptation onto our Macedonian mother tongue.
                    Theόs -Deus over possible origin and meaning
                    ja p-rob-a da d-Um-a za >>E<<


                    E - on E, on postoi, ete do kaj E, kaj go ima, zapletot E interesen, dobro ako go ima, da ne e dosadno, za religioznite i Bog E, veruvaat deka go ima, deka postoi, tuka E nekade, kaj i da E. I dobro e sto lugjeto veruvaat vo ljubov i dobrina

                    Bog E
                    El-E

                    E = eng: IS , Exist

                    dobro E = it IS good
                    filmot E interesen = the film IS interesting
                    silata E vo E-dinstvo = the power IS in U-nit-y, vo U-nia
                    tuka E = he is here, he exist here
                    Bog E E-din = God IS One / the First

                    etc, etc

                    till O(n)-Mega

                    The Eternal Circle of Life, the Kolo-Vrt , Vrt-al-O...

                    A E I O (God IS , and he IS Eternal, Neverending, the Beginning and the "End" , the Re-Born, the Eternal Circle of Life. A = God, E = Is ; I = and, IN ; O = O circle, "the end" , the Eternal Circle of Life)

                    mAkEdOnI


                    Iljov is NOT crazy it need further work, lot of work.

                    maybe some things are not 77 000 years old, maybe they are 55 000, 33 000, 11 000...

                    rab-bot-a
                    Last edited by Serdarot; 04-06-2010, 11:02 PM.
                    Bratot:
                    Никој не е вечен, а каузава не е нова само е адаптирана на новите услови и ќе се пренесува и понатаму.

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                    • Serdarot
                      Member
                      • Feb 2010
                      • 605

                      #11
                      also E-Mati-a

                      Is Mother(land)?

                      Make-donia

                      And think about the Construction of E / Σ / ε ...

                      It is similar like "M", "only" it is turned for 90 degrees, but in itīs many forms it has 2+1 or 3 "ends", and we have so many stories about the connection between God(s) / Religion and the Number 3.

                      Another coincidence?

                      - it has the symbol of the "uterus" / the womb ("v" -> "Y", the middle part of the "Σ" form) , the Mother Godess, Mother Earth
                      - it has the duality of some Religions (the 2 ends in the " Σ " form , not as "greek "sigma" but as "E")
                      - it has the trinity from some Religions, if th "v" part is added to the 2 ends, and by co-incidence
                      - it is the third planet from the Sun
                      - we live in 3-dimensional world / reality

                      and as small letter... "e"

                      a root that forms "closed form" - a "circle". beginning that "ends" in closed "circle" of life...

                      or a sperm :P

                      another coincidence.

                      the letter that means IS, EXIST, LIFE / LIVE, looks like a sperm.
                      Last edited by Serdarot; 04-06-2010, 11:28 PM.
                      Bratot:
                      Никој не е вечен, а каузава не е нова само е адаптирана на новите услови и ќе се пренесува и понатаму.

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                      • Pelister
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 2742

                        #12
                        I found this:

                        Online Etymology Dictionary:

                        The online etymology dictionary (etymonline) is the internet's go-to source for quick and reliable accounts of the origin and history of English words, phrases, and idioms. It is professional enough to satisfy academic standards, but accessible enough to be used by anyone.


                        Origin of the word "Rose" (as in the beautiful flower).

                        O.E. rose, from L. rosa (cf. It., Sp. rosa, Fr. rose; also source of Du. roos, Ger. Rose, Swed. ros, etc.), probably via It. and Gk. dialects from Gk. rhodon "rose" (Aeolic wrodon), ult. from Pers. *vrda-. But cf. Tucker: "The rose was a special growth of Macedonia & the Thracian region as well as of Persia, & the Lat. & Gk. names prob. came from a Thraco-Phrygian source." Aramaic warda is from O.Pers.; the modern Pers. cognate, via the usual sound changes, is gul, source of Turk. gül "rose." The ultimate source of all this may be PIE *wrdho- "thorn, bramble." Used of a color since 1530. In English civil wars of 15c., the white rose was the badge of the House of York, the red of its rival Lancaster. Rose-water is attested from 1398. Rose-colored "optimistic" is first recorded 1854. In the fig. sense, bed of roses is from 1593. Rosy in the sense of "cheerful" is first recorded 1775; meaning "promising" is from 1887. Rose of Sharon (Song of Sol. ii.1) is attested from 1611 and named for the fertile strip of coastal Palestine. The flower has not been identified; used in U.S. since 1847 of the Syrian hibiscus.
                        You know the thorns of the rose could only be conceived an such a wild and beautiful place as Macedonia. :-)

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                        • Serdarot
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                          • Feb 2010
                          • 605

                          #13
                          nice1 bro

                          Ружа и Роза и Роз-вита нека се ружат (китат, красат, украсуваат, eng: to put on jewelry , decoration, make up, even used for puting red colour on the face / lips )

                          in between, i will invite you on another excursion, this time it will be a kind of

                          de ja vu (j=zh=ж)
                          do zhi vu (u=i + u=e) ->
                          do zhi ve(-ano)
                          do zhi vi
                          do zhi vi(deno)

                          Vekje Videno - Already Seen, Already Lived (Zhi-vot/Zhi-vi/Zhe-na/Ghena/Gen)
                          Vekje Dozhiveano

                          Zhi Vi(deno) /Zhi Ve(ano) can also be supported by the Slovenian (and other languages / dialects)

                          "She sīm videu/videl" (iīve alread seen that)
                          -----------------

                          Belchev and / or someone else also wrote about

                          Af-rodi-ta

                          Here i think some have to be realy stupid, to deny the "-rod-" and the "Af-" part.

                          Not only she is Born / Rod(ena) / Rodita, but we must not forget the Af- part, and the "izednacuvanje po zvucnost" rule, f=V , Af- = Va-(L) , a WAVE.

                          Further, in Mariovo-Lerin-Kostur and other regions, even today for "air" / "clima" / "atmosfere" itīs used the word "AVA".

                          "Avata ne me aresa"
                          "Ne mozha jas na ta Ava"
                          "Vaa Ava nigde ja nema"

                          Take note Vozduh is Va-z-duh

                          Air, Space

                          So, Af-Rodi-ta , Born of a Foam (Air, Space) in the WAVES

                          Af-Rodi-ta se Rodi koga Kronos mu gi odsece genitaliite (Falusot/Penisot/Kur-ot) na Kur-an, i gi frli vo Egejot...

                          I mean, how much more Makedonski it have to be?

                          But let take CLOSE look on "Rod"...
                          Last edited by Serdarot; 04-07-2010, 09:21 AM.
                          Bratot:
                          Никој не е вечен, а каузава не е нова само е адаптирана на новите услови и ќе се пренесува и понатаму.

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                          • Serdarot
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                            • Feb 2010
                            • 605

                            #14
                            rodi / rod / rad / rat (tra) / eRat

                            za bRat deka ti e Rod se razbira.
                            sE(s)TRA isto.

                            ta(a)+rod(nina)=tra

                            if we check our Old good friends - Sanscrit and Tamil, we find some interesting things

                            (cpd) rodig [lwtyk' | (N ro1da)] intestine, gut; ro1di1ga1n, entrails, guts.
                            (cpd) rodigan (pl.) entrails, guts.

                            (mwd) roDhR mfn. (1. %{ruh}) one who grows or ascends &c. L.

                            (mwd) rodhavedI f. a river L.

                            (cap) rodhas n. dam, wall, mound, high bank, bluff.

                            (mwd) rodhas n. a bank , embankment , dam , mound , wall , shore RV. &c. &c. ; a mountain slope R. Hariv. ; the steep wall or bank (of a cloud) Katha1s. ; the brink (of a well) BhP. ; the flank , side , a woman's hips BhP. (cf. %{taTa}).

                            (mwd) rodhana - a dam , bank , wall (= %{rodhas})

                            (cpd) rod [lwt' | M rwd, N ro1d] river.


                            Rod-ovite (the "tribes groups") had often as their border(s) some big river(s).

                            or Big mountain. Breg-ovi.

                            they oft used to build Walls and Cities, Castles, Palaces, Burg-ovi, Bra-ni, Og-rad-i.

                            So B-rat g-rad-ish og-rad-a Rod-bina i Rod-ina da Bra-nish

                            Rad as Circe and Rad / rat (bRat..) as Rod, interesting or what?

                            ...

                            more to come on this later, busy atm :P *

                            edit:

                            - if some1 didnīt noted, Rod = Guts, Af-Rod-ita was born drn drn, genitalies bla bla... :P

                            i realy admire how genious is our language "coded" (and i surely dont mean on Koneski, lol )
                            Last edited by Serdarot; 04-07-2010, 12:30 PM.
                            Bratot:
                            Никој не е вечен, а каузава не е нова само е адаптирана на новите услови и ќе се пренесува и понатаму.

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                            • osiris
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                              • Sep 2008
                              • 1969

                              #15
                              serdarot tamil is not a sanskrit language its dravidian

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