Archaeology of the Ancient World

[afterhours]

If Ancient Macedonians did spoke some Greek dialect, why not using it in the Royal House instead of importing some Attic dialect?

The mare adoption indicates that they are adopting it for commerce or equivalent.

Not necessarily! Attic Greek was more sophisticated. The language of the elite.

[Daskalot]

Ellene....btw, why do you put Greek in quotation marks?

Greek was put in quotation marks because the modern term "Greek" does not apply retrospectively.

Could you give us an example of Attic Ellene, did the ancients themselves call their dialect "Attic Ellene"?

[afterhours]

The definition of Koine:

And when exactly did Koine become a lingua franca?

[makedonin]

Not necessarily! Attic Greek was more sophisticated. The language of the elite.

Who else of the rest of the Hellenes did adopt Attic Greek cause of it's sophistication?

Back your comment with some sources please!

[Daskalot]

Not necessarily! Attic Greek was more sophisticated. The language of the elite.

Was there a solid consensus on this in antiquity? Did every city-state regard Attic as the dialect of the elite? By the way whom were the "elite" in the ancient city-states?

[afterhours]

Greek was put in quotation marks because the modern term "Greek" does not apply retrospectively.

Can you elaborate? I'm not following.

Could you give us an example of Attic Ellene, did the ancients themselves call their dialect "Attic Ellene"?

Sure! Just read Plato or Aristotle.

I don't think they called their language Attic. It's called Attic due to the region where the Attic dialect was spoken.

[afterhours]

Was there a solid consensus on this in antiquity? Did every city-state regard Attic as the dialect of the elite? By the way whom were the "elite" in the ancient city-states?

Th Athenians...they were kind of like snobs.

No, not every city-state adopted Attic, but the Macedonians did.

[makedonin]

Th Athenians...they were kind of like snobs.

No, not every city-state adopted Attic, but the Macedonians did.

First, the Macedonia was no city state but a Kingdom!

Second, you fail to number any city state adopting Attic Greek.

Please provide example of city state that adopted Attic Greek, in the same manner that you suggest that Macedonians did adopted it.

[Daskalot]

Can you elaborate? I'm not following.

The ancients from the city-states did not call their language "Greek", they called it Ellene as you yourself state, thus the modern use of the term "Greek" does not apply retrospectively.

Sure! Just read Plato or Aristotle.

I don't think they called their language Attic. It's called Attic due to the region where the Attic dialect was spoken.

Aha, so how did the ancients from the city-states whom spoke the Attic dialect note this in their writings, because there was also a Doric dialect etc., so the two were not mixed up.

[Daskalot]

Th Athenians...they were kind of like snobs.

No, not every city-state adopted Attic, but the Macedonians did.

How do you know that the Athenians were snobs? Is this noted in literature and does this automatically equate that they are the "elite"?

[afterhours]

Sticking to the topic of this thread, this is from the Louvre.

http://www.louvre.fr/llv/oeuvres/detail_notice.jsp?CONTENT%3C%3Ecnt_id=10134198673225461&CURRENT_LLV_NOTICE%3C%3Ecnt_id=10134198673225461&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=9852723696500776&bmLocale=en

Sarcophagus of Dioscorides, a Greek Egyptian

Dioscorides was a general under Ptolemy VI, and is well known from a number of Greek papyri. Despite being a member of the Greek élite that governed Egypt at the time, he chose to be buried according to local Egyptian custom. He had his dark stone sarcophagus finely engraved, at appropriate places on the body, with religious inscriptions taken from the ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead.

[afterhours]

I'm an art history major....I love art and history!

I especially enjoy museums!

[Daskalot]

Sticking to the topic of this thread, this is from the Louvre.

So you choose to stay on topic when you get cornered. Funny lad.

I really do think you should take the time and answer the questions posed, if you took the time to start them then you ought to answer them to.

[afterhours]

First, the Macedonia was no city state but a Kingdom!

Here is what the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York has to say.

List of Rulers: The Ancient Greek World

http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/gkru/hd_gkru.htm

The following abridged list of rulers for the ancient Greek world is primarily for the rulers of the Hellenistic age (323–31 B.C.), after the time of Alexander the Great. In the preceding centuries, the dominant geopolitical unit was the polis or city-state. Greek city-states were governed by a variety of entities, including kings, oligarchies, tyrants, and, as in the case of Athens, a democracy.

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So you choose to stay on topic when you get cornered. Funny lad.

I really do think you should take the time and answer the questions posed, if you took the time to start them then you ought to answer them to.

Absolutely! Getting there!