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Old 06-22-2019, 05:12 AM   #11
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I feel as though we have to give some credit to the northerners, they are right they are not related to the likes of Goce Delcev, their motto was Sloboda ili smrt, the northerners motto is if you cant beat them join them after bending over and selling their mothers.
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Old 06-22-2019, 06:36 AM   #12
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Yugo fanatics and srbomani couldn't care less about Delcev. I don't think they're what's holding back him and the other two morons you mentioned.
Sorry, that's not what I meant. I was thinking more along the lines that Srbomani and Yugo fanatics don't have a soft spot for Bulgarians.
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Old 06-22-2019, 06:42 AM   #13
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Remember all the way back when warned people that as soon as we capitulate to Greece that Bulgaria will be next in line? Yeah it took a whole few months for that to happen.

Personally for me this is worse. Antiquity, although important, is still antiquity. The bulgars are going after the people who founded our modern nation. The people who make up our modern identity. If you walk away from Delcev and others like him, what is left? At that point you are starting an identity from scratch in 2019.

If you let the Bulgars push you around you have really hit rock bottom.
It shows the fundamental absence of any integrity and principles in the EU. The whole veto concept has allowed Greece and Bulgaria to blackmail Macedonians in order to pursue their own nationalistic and chauvinistic agendas. That the EU allows this is hypocritical at best.

But Macedonians set the precedent by allowing others to bully them and blackmail them when the alternative was to simply ignore them.

Soon they'll just be Albanian-speaking Western Bulgarians from the North.
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Old 06-22-2019, 06:51 AM   #14
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History professor Vanco Georgiev, who is part of the joint committee with Bulgaria, qualified the approach from the Bulgarian members as threats and said that they were raising issues since last year. According to Georgiev, Bulgarian members of the committee want to declare 1944 as the year when the Macedonian nation was first formed.

No nation exists without a process, the nations are constructs and they go through stages of development. And yet, since our first meetings ,we had these indecent threats, that Goce Delcev is a Bulgarian and if we don’t accept that, we will be vetoed. Their proposal doesn’t state that Goce Delcev is a Bulgarian, but indirectly it is said that he comes from a Bulgarian family, went to a Bulgarian school.. The final meeting was more tense. I don’t think we will be able to stick to our program, some of them want radicalization, others want to stage a walk out and some want a veto, Georgiev said.

Bulgaria conditions its support for Macedonia’s EU and NATO accession with the work of the committee, which is supposed to establish a shared historic narrative.

Georgiev adds that he sees the political fights that erupted in Bulgaria as a smoke-screen. Bulgarian conservatives seized on a proposal to jointly celebrate the 1946 date when Goce Delcev’s body was brought to Skopje and interred in the St. Spas church as an insult from the Macedonian side. But their vitriol is largely aimed at the Bulgarian left, given that the decision to bring the body to Skopje was made by the then Bulgarian Communist Party.

Their goal is to scandalize other fundamental issues, such as the Ilinden Uprising, other revolutionaries and work their way up to 1944. This is where they draw the line, as if we exist starting in 1944, and before that nothing exists, Georgiev said.

Bulgarian nationalists insist that the Macedonian nation was made up in Yugoslav times, starting in 1944, and that before, the Macedonians were in fact Bulgarians.
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Old 06-22-2019, 10:26 AM   #15
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Pendarovski: Delchev declared himself a Bulgarian and fought for an independent Macedonian state

Source: https://www.slobodnaevropa.mk/a/30013271.html
Lazar Kolishevski apparently said something similar long time ago (translation from the Serbian article):

"Lazar Kolishevski, one of the leading Macedonian communists, immediately after the war, said that Delchev was a Bulgarian who does not have any special merit for the struggle of the Macedonian people."

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Old 06-22-2019, 10:41 AM   #16
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Lazar Kolishevski apparently said something similar long time ago (translation from the Serbian article):

"Lazar Kolishevski, one of the leading Macedonian communists, immediately after the war, said that Delchev was a Bulgarian who does not have any special merit for the struggle of the Macedonian people."

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazar_Koli%C5%A1evski
Do you have a source other than Serbian or Bulgarian propaganda for that quote? I can't find the origins of that quote by Kolishevski. I'm not saying he didn't say that, but it be nice to actually have a source. In his own essay called Aspects of the Macedonian Question, Kolisevski said that Goce Delcev used the Bulgarian language in written communication because he was educated in Bulgaria, but that he was a Macedonian and used the Macedonian language in speech with fellow Macedonians.

I'm not defending Pendarovski, but that title that you quoted is not even close to being an accurate description of what he said.
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Do you have a source other than Serbian or Bulgarian propaganda for that quote? I can't find the origins of that quote by Kolishevski. I'm not saying he didn't say that, but it be nice to actually have a source. In his own essay called Aspects of the Macedonian Question, Kolisevski said that Goce Delcev used the Bulgarian language in written communication because he was educated in Bulgaria, but that he was a Macedonian and used the Macedonian language in speech with fellow Macedonians.

I'm not defending Pendarovski, but that title that you quoted is not even close to being an accurate description of what he said.
I couldn't find it. I will do some more research.
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I couldn't find it. I will do some more research.
Thanks. I'll look too.
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Thanks. I'll look too.
It might be difficult to track down the original quote/source, if any.

I just found the following on pressingtv.mk - it was stated by the Bulgarian Topalov:

"Лазар Колишевски, имал изјава за Гоце Делчев и тоа во 46-та година, кога Бугарија и ги дала на Македонија неговите мошти.

Таа изјава ја има во архивот на македонскиот институт во Скопје. Лазар Колишевски вели-Гоце Делчев е еден Бугарин без значење за ослободителните борби. Значи, дури тој, би го нарекол крволок на македонизирањето на Македонија и на ликвидирањето на бугарската свест таму, не мислел дека некогаш може да се стигне до таков фалсификат, до такво неверојатно нешто, Гоце Делчев да биде претворен во знаме на македонизмот и да биде целосно откинат од својата врска со Бугарија, изјави Топалов."

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That same Bulgarian said:

"Гоце Делчев се нарекувал Бугарин и се борел за бугарската кауза на Македонија."

There is no evidence that Goce Delcev fought for the Bulgarian cause, but rather there is evidence he fought for the Macedonian cause. Bulgarians have manipulated history beyond belief, which is why citing them is dangerous.
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