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  • Risto the Great
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 15658

    Monuments and Statues in the Macedonian Republic

    Greece spars with Macedonia over giant Alexander statue




    GREECE heaped scorn overnight on plans by Macedonia to erect a gigantic equestrian statue of Alexander the Great, the famed warrior-king of antiquity that both countries claim as their own.
    "From the information we have, the size, height and cost of this statue are inversely proportional to seriousness and historic truth," Greek foreign ministry spokesman George Koumoutsakos said.

    The 22-metre statue of the ancient king of Macedon is to be placed on the main square of Macedonia's capital Skopje at an estimated cost of €4.5 million ($8.08 million), local authorities said.

    Greece currently has a 6.15-metre statue of Alexander adorning the waterfront of its northern city Thessaloniki.

    It also has plans to erect another statue in Iraq, on the site of one of Alexander's victories over the Persians at the Battle of Gaugamela in 331 BCE.

    Born in Pella, modern-day Greece, Alexander conquered the Persian Empire and much of the world known to ancient Greeks before dying in Babylon in 323 BC at the age of just 32.

    In recent years, Greece has faced a challenge from the former Yugoslav republic over the spiritual rights to Alexander's heritage and has been at pains to stress that the ancient Macedonians were Greek.

    But the tiny Balkan nation, which became independent after the breakup of Yugoslavia in the 1990s, has staked its own claim as it lies on what was once part of ancient Macedonia.

    Greece has also refused to recognise its neighbour under its constitutional name of Macedonia because that is also the name of the northern Greek province of Macedonia.

    United Nations-led negotiations on the issue have proved fruitless ever since, and Athens has used its veto to prevent Macedonia becoming a member of NATO.
    If the Greek statue is 6m tall, then the Macedonian one should be 6000m tall. But really, why on Earth would Greece have a statue of a Macedonian?
    Risto the Great
    MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
    "Holding my breath for the revolution."

    Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com
  • Soldier of Macedon
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 13670

    #2
    So their 'Hellenic' ancestors of antiquity can turn in their graves some more.
    In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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    • fyrOM
      Banned
      • Feb 2010
      • 2180

      #3
      Statues of Albanians in Skopje

      На Плоштад нема да се градат верски објекти, а ДУИ ќе ги поддржи владиниот про*ект за центарот на Скопје и премиерот Никола Груевски да го ре*ши спорот за името, предвидува најновиот договор на ВМРО-ДПМНЕ и ДУИ

      Пар*тне*рите во владината коалиција ВМРО-ДПМНЕ и ДУИ ги закопале секирите. Пре*ми*е*рот Никола Груевски и лидерот на ДУИ Али Ахмети во средата имале средба, на која договориле да ги смират тензиите кои беа предизвикани од презентацијата на проектот за новиот изглед на Плоштадот "Скопје 2014".
      Пар*ти*ски извори тврдат дека Груевски и Ахмети начелно се договориле овој про*ект да биде поддржан од коалицската Влада. ДУИ нема ништо против изградбата на репрезентативните објекти кои треба да се градат на двете страни на реката Вар*дар, но побарала одредени корекции, кои се однесуваат на верските објекти што се предвидени да се изградат и спомениците кои ќе бидат поставени на Плош*тад.
      Ди*ле*ма*та околу изградбата на верски објекти во центарот на Скопје е надминат пре*ку соломонско решение, според кое на тој простор нема да се изгради ни црква ни џа*ми*ја.
      Во врска со спомениците, договорот Груевски - Ахмети предвидува измени на пла*нот "Скопје 2014", според кои на Плоштадот, освен постојните предвидени бисти за деј*ци од македонската историја да се најде место и за фигури од албанската ис*то*ри*ја. Конкретна листа на имиња на важни личности од албанската историја, за кои ќе се издигнат бисти на Плоштадот нема, но тоа ќе се договори дополнително.
      Нај*но*ви*от договор на ВМРО-ДПМНЕ и ДУИ, освен за планот "Скопје 2014", се од*не*су*ва и на спорот со името. Според овој договор, Али Ахмети останува на под*дрш*ка*та за премиерот Никола Груевски на претстојните преговори со Грција за името. Ах*ме*ти ветил дека ДУИ во претстојниот период до јуни ќе ги поддржи сите напори на пре*ми*е*рот кои ќе водат кон изнаоѓање прифатливо решение за овој спор, кој ги ко*чи евроатлантските амбиции на Македонија.

      does anyone know of any person of albanian decent deserving of such an honor.

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      • Soldier of Macedon
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2008
        • 13670

        #4
        Is there an ethnic Albanian who has fought for the national interests, territorial integrity and unity of Macedonia?
        In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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        • Jankovska
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2008
          • 1774

          #5
          Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View Post
          Is there an ethnic Albanian who has fought for the national interests, territorial integrity and unity of Macedonia?
          Yes, according to our gov present and ex Ali Ahmeti fought for greater freedom of the Albanians in Macedonia.

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          • UnitedForJohan
            Junior Member
            • Sep 2009
            • 12

            #6
            die

            exterminate shiptari

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            • julie
              Senior Member
              • May 2009
              • 3869

              #7
              shiptarite ke ne izedat kako lokum
              "The moral revolution - the revolution of the mind, heart and soul of an enslaved people, is our greatest task."__________________Gotse Delchev

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              • Risto the Great
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2008
                • 15658

                #8
                Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View Post
                Is there an ethnic Albanian who has fought for the national interests, territorial integrity and unity of Macedonia?
                Is there an ethnic Albanian who would take pride in doing the above?
                Risto the Great
                MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
                "Holding my breath for the revolution."

                Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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                • Soldier of Macedon
                  Senior Member
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 13670

                  #9
                  I am yet to hear of one. My relatives in Macedonia have the same problem. The fact is, if not all, then the absolute majority of ethnic Albanians in Macedonia, do not want to be a part of Macedonian society and would be happy to see the end of the Macedonian state. I wish some of them could prove me otherwise, but one individual jumping in the Vardar to save a drowning lady doesn't quite cut it. Nobody says there aren't good people among the ethnic Albanians in Macedonia, but most of them can be considered enemies of the state, or at least passive supporters of those enemies. Like it or not, that's the cold, hard fact.
                  In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                  • Soldier of Macedon
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 13670

                    #10
                    Originally posted by UnitedForJohan View Post
                    exterminate shiptari
                    Do you want to elaborate on that point, UFJ? How do you think the ethnic Albanian problem in Macedonia should be solved? Please be realistic with your response.
                    In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                    • BigMak
                      Banned
                      • Jan 2009
                      • 209

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View Post
                      Is there an ethnic Albanian who has fought for the national interests, territorial integrity and unity of Macedonia?
                      Is there a Albanian who refers to Tetovo as Tetovo and not tetova

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                      • Soldier of Macedon
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 13670

                        #12
                        Not that I am aware of, but then again, the "ovo", "ova", "ovi" suffixes are all Macedonian and not Albanian, so even in this regard they are kidding themselves.
                        In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                        • drle
                          Junior Member
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 39

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View Post
                          Do you want to elaborate on that point, UFJ? How do you think the ethnic Albanian problem in Macedonia should be solved? Please be realistic with your response.
                          I will elaborate, propose a population exchange, Kosovo can have 500,000 shiptari in exchange for nothing....how's that sound?

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                          • Risto the Great
                            Senior Member
                            • Sep 2008
                            • 15658

                            #14
                            If they call themselves Albanian, cannot speak Macedonian, but speak Serbian ... we know they came from Kosovo. They do not belong. This is simple.
                            Risto the Great
                            MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
                            "Holding my breath for the revolution."

                            Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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                            • Soldier of Macedon
                              Senior Member
                              • Sep 2008
                              • 13670

                              #15
                              Originally posted by drle View Post
                              I will elaborate, propose a population exchange, Kosovo can have 500,000 shiptari in exchange for nothing....how's that sound?
                              Sounds unrealistic, but perhaps that is because the idea you have proposed requires further elaboration. On what grounds can such actions be justified, how would we go about carrying out this task, what about the ethnic Albanians that were in Macedonia before their cousins from across the borders decided to flood our western territories? Just some questions to ponder over, because if such a suggestion is to be taken seriously, we will need an appropriate plan in place to make that happen. Let's also keep in mind the Macedonians who live in Albania and Kosovo, would we be seeking to bring them 'back' to Macedonia as a part of this process?
                              In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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