Nizopoli - An event of great historical symbolism (Seeking clarification)

[Mastika]

This is not new news, however I was very shocked by what I read and hopefully somebody will be able to clarify and hopefully contradict what the article says. Does this mean that the Greek government is paying for the renovatino of of the school building or the starting of Greek langauge classes? If it is the second one, then how is this being allowed?!?!?, when across the border we cannot do the same?!

An event of great historical symbolism held Saturday, August 22, 2009 in the Nizopoli Pelagonias in neighboring Macedonia Αντιπροσωπεία

Delegation Megalolivadioton with cultural clubs Megalolivadioton Thessaloniki and Women Livadia Paiko "the Armani" with the dance bands, attended at the invitation of the Greek consulate in Bitola, in the inauguration ceremony of the restoration of the historic Greek school Nizopoleos.

Within the program of the Office for International Development and Cooperation (Hellenic Aid), the Greek Foreign Ministry in cooperation with the authorities of neighboring countries and the Community of Nizopolis undertook renovation of the historic school.
The Greek school was built in 1870.I Nizopolis inscription on the pediment of the building says "thorough and vigilant supervision by itself Pelagoneias Metropolitan AMBROSIA erected the college issuing Konstantinos D. COT. Benefactor of the community Bebi Constantine had the time companies in Rouchtsouk Romania. Brilliant school complex to house boys 'school, girls' school and kindergarten. According to historical data in 1908 were enrolled in three schools above 173 students, girls and infants with five teachers and teachers. These were: John Karozas, Robbie Delight, A. Satrapelli, Ioannis Papamichail, A. Ziogas. From 1902 until 1907 he taught Anastasia Hatzidimitriou, then from 1908 until 1914, the year the Serbian authorities closed the school, taught the students of Peter Evdokia Girls' Monastery. Also occasionally taught by teachers, and Julia Rouphos Aspasia Panos. Finally, during the War Makedonikou taught pianist and poet Peter Kyriazis Monastir. Duties of school curators-paced action developed by Theodore and Nicholas Coussios Nakas. In Nizopoli, difficult period of struggle Makedonikou famous families of notables such as Zissis and Naka Sterpou of Papo gold, Stergios Nastou, Dimitris Giannota of Fish Goul, Dimitris Sherry, Dimitris Papazisi Theo Adam and his family Cebu developed a rich cultural, Educational and national involvement. Nizopolites dierminefontas their deep loyalty to Orthodoxy and the Orthodox Church strongly opposed to any kind of nationalist propaganda in the late 19th and early 20th century, and particularly that of Romania. This drew on June 14, 1907 "Protest" which sent the Ecumenical Patriarchate with the simultaneous exposure of the Metropolitan Pelagoneias which included "... four reference Vlach-speaking communities in the province Pelagoneias (Monastir, Tyrnovou, and Megarovou Nizopolis) proclaim these afosiosin to the Orthodox Church and the Great Greek Maiden, and renounce the roumanikin idean and propaganda .... "

The opening of the school conducted by the Ambassador of Greece in Skopje and more. Papadopoulou presence of Mr. Mark Tripolitaki Consul of Greece to the monastery and the former President of the Panhellenic Union of Vlach Cultural Associations and President of the Community Livadia Kilkis Photis Kilipiri. Ambassador expressed his great pleasure and satisfaction which it launched its historic Nizopolis school, and the commune Livadia referred to the historical ties of HellenoVlachs on both sides of the border between the two countries since a large portion Nizopoliton before the delimitation of the Balkan borders in the early twentieth century have had their winter quarters in Thessaly. After the demarcation in 1913, a significant number now settled permanently in Katerini, Thessaloniki and in Argyropouli (Karatzoli) of Larissa.

In remembrance of this event are Megalolivadiotes erected in the courtyard between the school and the church of Agia Paraskevi, traditional stone fountain and offer a reminder of common bonds and common origin still exist in the region.

The rich traditional dishes (Vlach pies, lamb spit and pure cheese of the village) prepared by village women, accompanied by music, songs and folk dances club. Finally it was widespread excitement and joy among the attendees Nizopoliton, Megalolivadioton and many other visitors who attended.

http://www.vlahoi.net/content/view/297/1/ (I put it through Google translate)

[Soldier of Macedon]

If the purpose is to teach the Greek language in Macedonia I would have the place closed down immediately - pending complete equality for the Macedonians in Greece, which has been supressed since they were criminally absorbed into that racist state. While there are Macedonians that live in the Greek state, there are zero to no Greeks that live in the Macedonian state. Once the Macedonians in Greece are afforded the most basic of human rights, then these racists can come to Macedonia to build their schools where nobody speaks the language they are trying to promote through their propaganda.

I think there was some discussion about this not long ago on another thread.

[fyrOM]

Don’t say nobody speaks Greek in Macedonia SoM. At risk of offending some Macedonians from egej on this forum I know personaly this to be true because I have some relatives who married egej Macedonians who fled Greece into Macedonia and their children and grand children know greek. They see it as important to know the language particularly since they feel a connection to egej Macedonia. Here in Australia my mother has worked in factories where she met egej Macedonian women who have sent their kids to evening class Greek schools leading to a common statement I have heard in the past by many Macedonians that some egej Macedonians are maski ni kojn ni magere sto ke ti se svrti vaka ili taka kako ke mu odgovara. I personaly have met some egej Macedonians of my generation who have said to me hey I heard you were Macedonian. Where are you from. And when they hear its not from egej their first reaction if a sigh oh. How do you think that made me feel. But it still hasn’t soured my opinion that most macedeonians want to be just Macedonians. So it would not surprise me at all if someone opened a Greek school in Macedonia. In fact many learn Greek to cater for the Greek tourist trade in Macedonia eg hotel workers. I can understand a PP mind seeing such a development as strange.

[Soldier of Macedon]

OziMak, those type of stories are common to Macedonians from various parts, you seem to have had more bad than good experiences, I am from Australia too and I find it amusing to see some Grkomani claiming to be 'Greek', yet unable to speak Greek. They speak Macedonian, of course, and call it as such. A confused lot, not all totally lost to the Macedonian cause.

In RoM, nobody speaks Greek, I don't feel the need to count in some shop owners from Bitola and a few Grkomani lurking about, more people would probably speak Chinese than Greek in the Macedonian state. They are both insignificant.

[osiris]

i would treat greeks and greek culture in macedonia with the same measures that greeks use in occupied macedonia being understanding and democratic is a waste of time with the greeks all they understand is power not logic nor human rights.

[Soldier of Macedon]

The big difference is, Macedonian culture within (today's) Greece is a historical reality, whereas Greek culture in the Macedonian republic is non-existent.

[julie]

osiris - poetic justice.
And any Greeks in RoM would hypocritacally (is that a word?) be the first to cry foul.
With the EU suitably chastising roM of course!

[fyrOM]

SoM those relatives I mentioned are in Macedonia and believe me I was shocked to find such egej Macedonians teaching their kids Greeks privately at home like their parents or grandparents taught their children Macedonian secretly in egej. I cant remember the city now out east where the casino and hotel are I was in an online chat with someone there and she was saying to me the staff were made to learn Greek so as to better communicate with the Greek tourists or leave your job. Sadly its not just a few bakali vo Bitola. When I was in ohrid once there was one area of about a hundred plastic outdoor tables and chair with people sitting around all speaking Greek with Greek music blaring from loudspeakers and macedonian waiters catering to them in greek. I thought id crossed the border ese.

[Mastika]

If the purpose is to teach the Greek language in Macedonia I would have the place closed down immediately - pending complete equality for the Macedonians in Greece, which has been supressed since they were criminally absorbed into that racist state. While there are Macedonians that live in the Greek state, there are zero to no Greeks that live in the Macedonian state. Once the Macedonians in Greece are afforded the most basic of human rights, then these racists can come to Macedonia to build their schools where nobody speaks the language they are trying to promote through their propaganda.

I think there was some discussion about this not long ago on another thread.

Thank you SOM, that was the response that I was hoping to hear. I thought that it was very strange to hear of Greek being taught in RoM, especially with the help of the Greek government. Hopefully one day the Macedonian government will fund similar projects in Aegean Macedonia and spread literacy in Macedonian there.

OziMak, I am sure that there are some private colleges which maybe offer Greek as a language of study alongside say Turkish, Russian, Italian, Spanish etc. however the fact that Nizo Pole is a Vlach village is what made me think twice about what is allegedly happening. The learning of any language is good and commendable however, for no reason should people be forced to learn Greek against their own will and forget their own mother language.

[Bij]

I know of young Greek speaking Macedonians whose grandparents fled from egejska. The only reason any of them are in a job at the moment is because they speak Greek and have been hired by Greek business owners in Bitola.

[osiris]

while the learning of any language is good i would question why anyone in macedonia would want to waste their time learning greek when there are so many other languages to learn.

i had to learn greek because i lived there, but it is the last language in the world i would recommend any one to learn.

[Frank]

Surely Bitolchni havent heard of this Greek Incentive yet just wait threats then burn the building down

[Stevce]

Hi guys is this place still open or did someone vandalise or burn it down?