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  • DedoAleko
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    • Jun 2009
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    Montenegrins call themselves Macedonians

    google translate:

    How Montenegrins began to call themselves Macedonians (under the influence of the Archbishopric of Ohrid), and after that Serbs (because they belong to Serbian Patriarchate of Pec)

    (Excerpt from the work Sretena Zekovića " the historical foundation of Montenegrin ethnicity or nationality " )

    Influential CHURCH AUTHORITIES

    Under the authority of the Ohrid Archbishopric , and ecclesiastical - religious center , was given the territory of Montenegro , in the mid-15th nekijema v . ( Danilo Radojevic , Montenegro and Littoral metropolitanate , Encyclopedia of Yugoslavia , 3 , CRN Đ , Yugoslav Lexicographic Institute , Zagreb, 1984 , 148 ) , and the drugijema end of the same century . ( 1499) ( R. Grujic , Montenegro metropolitanate in the National Encyclopedia Serbo-Croat- Slovene professor . St. . Stojanovic , Vol IV . , 923 ) .

    The first view is confirmed by the Serbian historian Olga Zirojević which considers the Cetinje Metropolitan Diocese came under the jurisdiction of the Ohrid arheipiskopije 1455th ( Serbia under Turkish rule from 1450 to 1804 , Novi Sad, 1995 , 148 ) .

    Macedonia's Name encounters in the wide sense of the entire Balkans , including Montenegro ( Dragutin Anastasijević in Stojanovićevoj National Encyclopedia Serbo-Croat- Slovene , Vol II . , Also 1929 , 647 ) . Archival material shows that it left a deep prt ( mode ) in the minds of Montenegrins .

    " OT regions MACEDONIAN , THE COUNTRY OF MONTENEGRO "

    The letter from the 1640th Montenegrin Metropolitan Mardarije the tituliše :

    "I episkup kir Mardarije scenery from Macedonia , from the country of Montenegro , Cetinje Monastery of ... The humble servant in Christ Mardarije , bishop of Montenegro and just coast "
    ( Dr. John Radoniq , Roman Curia and South Slavic countries of VI to XIX century , Belgrade, 1950 , 147) . Dr. John Radonice the phrase " by the scenery mkedonskih " was sufficient to conclude that Bishop Mardarije native Macedonian ( Historical records X / 2, 406-412 ) .
    Risto Dragicevic detail proves that the Montenegrin Metropolitan Mardarije neither ethnic nor linguistic Macedonian. The phrase " by the scenery of Macedonia " means only affiliation Montenegrin Metropolia Ohrid ( Macedonia ) church. Dragicevic said more data that will confirm his claim .

    Impact veljedržavne and veljecrkovne policy

    From this " sacred imperial law" stemmed imentovanje podvlašćenijeh nations and states prma name of conquering the state , the church and religion . The " imperial history " knew the oslovljavati individuals , populations , nations and states to veljedržavnoj pripadanosti and veljecrkovnoj jurisdiction, territorial and socio -tier membership . That works rulers , bishops and nobles in the imperial višenarodnosnoj state, church , and according to their " leading the ruling nation ," for example . Serbian , often known terminology called " srpskijem rulers " , " srpskijem hierarchs " , " srpskijem patriarchs " , " srpskijem countries " ( provinces , provinces , etc. . ) , although they are not Serbian , but utterly other nationalities . Especially is this true of ecclesiastical jurisdiction , or autocephalous churches , particularly the Patriarchate Archbishop , whose name it bears all dioceses and other church ranks in their frame. It was common , quite quickly getting used to it , be officially accepted as the velji importance , role and receptivity of the church . Significantly influenced the consciousness of the people and its crkovnijeh rep fiends who therefore titulisali , determined his identity, which creates confusion in recognition of their National, homeland , Homeland and national commitment .

    Montenegrins are the church once " were" Macedonians
    Typo BV Podgoričanin the svojijem books written in 1520. and 1537 :
    " By patriotism Moega by country Dioklitiskije , Hedgehog is in predjeleh Macedonian city of Podgorica naricajemago "

    ( Lj. Stanojevic , Old Serbian inscriptions and records , no. 494, 161 ) .

    In his third book in 1538. Bozidar Vukovic repeating the same phrase . Wolf St . Karadzic this formulation Bozidar Vukovic explained by " the macedonija Serbian name all the countries of our people , as in the folk song ... Đurađ Smederevac called king of macedonija " ...

    HOW TO MORAČA macedonija ?

    Montenegrin monastery monks Morače in 1615. write to their monastery " in the field hercegovskoj in western sides and appetizers maćedonskih " ( Dr. Jevto T. Novak , Proceedings of documents from the history of Montenegro ( 1685-1728 ). , Historical Institute of the People's Republic of Montenegro, Cetinje , 1956) .

    Also, a letter of Bishop - master Danilo Petrovic Russian Czar Peter the Great of 28 January in 1712. ends like this: " From Montenegro Macedonia " or more appropriate translation from the Montenegro region ( province ) in Macedonia " , and in Italian : '' Written Montenegro de di Macedonija part of the region " (ibid. ) . They knew Bishop Danilo and Montenegrin heads to Montenegro in Macedonia , but also write the crkovnoj jurisdiction.

    " BISHOP OF Makedonja ... from Cetinje "

    The only way to grasp the position of , or galimatijasne , history of Skanderbeg Crnojevic the holy baptism called Đurađ , Martina Skadar , ie its translation from Latin and transcript of Bishop Basil that " Ivan Kastrioti Crnojević genus kings of Macedonia " ( Dr. B. Šekularac , Cetinje chronicles, too ) . So you can understand the name Kanjoš Macedonović . This , Zanaga , not for them did not mean that " Montenegro Macedonian country " or that "Montenegrins Makedonjani " .

    After returning from Montenegro , the Russian Colonel Michael Miloradović ( born in Herzegovina ) in 1712. signed in svojijem letters as " Colonel Cavalier and Macedonian ."
    In Vienna 15:12 . In 1714. issued passport Bishop - master Montenegrin Danilo Petrovic which says that Dani " Bishop of Cetinje : Macedonia ... " .

    It's not confuse the Russian interpreters of Daniel's passport , but were translated into Russian accept that naming practice (St. Dimitrijevic , materials for the Serbian history from the Russian archives and libraries Monument LIII , in 1922. , 56) .

    MAKEDONJANI - PO CRKOVNOJ JURISDICTION

    In a letter crnogorskijeh chief of 09/08/1742 . Russian empress also mentions the phrase " in the region of Macedonia " (Mark Dragovic , Materials for the history of Montenegro times Metropolitan Danilo , Sava and Basil Petrovic Monument XXV , 2 ) .

    In a reply dated 10 5 In 1744. Empress also Otpozdravljam the same syntagm (ibid., 7 ) . And in a letter to the Metropolitan Basin and crnogorskijeh chief of 25 5 In 1752. Russian Empress mentions : " ... in all countries of Macedonia " (ibid. , 9 ) .

    There Tusto prirmjera to show that this expression was significantly spread out and Montenegro . It occurs in the Serbian National chanters (see the detail : Vojislav P. Nikčević , Ohrid and Pec Patriarchate in Južnijeh ethnogenesis of the Slavs , Lučindan - Voice of CPC , Cetinje , Christmas 2004 , no. 10 , 52-56 ) .

    Crnogordki Bishop - master Danilo Petrovic , the than Montenegrins and others discussed above , in more formal correspondence Stay Montenegro in Macedon , a self imentuju as Makedonjane only crkovnoj jurisdiction because the Montenegrin Church used to be under the canonical jurisdiction of the Macedonian Orthodox Church , and the Archbishopric of Ohrid . This , Zanaga for them did not mean that " Montenegro Macedonian country " , or that "Montenegrins - Makedonjani " .

    BY FAITH - " MONTENEGRO SERBIAN LAND "

    By the same token it unreasonably to the Serbian Orthodox Church , her older and local predstojatelji , Serbian , pro-Serbian science Kulturologija and policies that "Montenegro is Serbian land" and that " Montenegrins Serbs " (only ) on the basis that the Montenegrin metropolitanate the imperial Vatku ( for a while together with the state of Montenegro ) was under the jurisdiction of the Patriarchate of Pec , Church and serbian , as it was , Bulgaria and others, particularly in time (calculated ) Turkish Patriarchate of Pec .

    Montenegrins " become " the Serbs because they were under the Serbian Empire and Patriarchate of Pec

    Take for example the first written history of Montenegro Bishop - master Basil Petrovic ( History of Montenegro , Montenegrin Lexicographic Institute , Titograd) who writes under the substantial , if not the prevailing influence - as the choir in the Preface - Kingdom of the Slavs Mavro Orbin and " many ancient history , especially those that are now found in Athos ( Holy ) burns in Hilendar , the Serbians and the monastery of Studenica , and Decani , the Serbian Patriarchate of Pec ... " (ibid. , 31) . All it would affect the Bishop - master Montenegrin Basil receive the terminology of the Pec Patriarchate , which is equated Serbian Empire and its jurisdiction with Serbhood , and with it ethnic , ethnically belonging svijeh who were in their frame. It handles and the period when the Zeta resident / Montenegrins and Zeta / Montenegro were ruled " srpskijeh car ( EV ) a " . Speak of the famous (in fact mighty , mighty ) nemanjićkoj Empire , to which it was at one time and won Zeta , under the jurisdiction of the imperial Pec patrirjaršije was the Zeta and Montenegrin Metropolitan Diocese . Specifies that says " description of the position and pređašnjijeh rulers of our country Montenegro , with a side dish of saints emperors srpskijeh " (ibid. , 23) . Subsequently , in Russia , writes supplement entitled "Number srpskijeh bishops , in addition to the Metropolitan of Montenegro " , which is one of izrazitijeh such as the ability of identifying the Serbian Empire and jurisdidkcije Pec Patriarchate called . srednjovjekovnijem Serbs. Former pripadanost conquering Serbian state, the church and religion ( ritual ) terminology is trying to mix and confuse the Serbian ethnic affiliation , although Basil knows that the former Serbian state, church and ritual ( religion ) višenarodnosni , multiethnic , consisting of more samobitnijeh people and state ( " drugijeh brave people" , except in the Serbian imperial srpskj of church and state ).

    izvor: http://crnogorskapitanja.wordpress.c...atrijarsiji-2/
  • Risto the Great
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 15658

    #2
    Yeah, the difference is Macedonians are not stupid enough to claim the Montenegrins as Macedonians. Unlike how our neighbours treat Macedonians.
    Risto the Great
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    • Soldier of Macedon
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2008
      • 13670

      #3
      The shadow of the historical Ohrid Archbishopric in Macedonia is vast. I probably wouldn't go so far as to say that Montenegrins are Macedonians, but that they (along with other Balkan peoples) received significant influence from us, is beyond doubt.
      In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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      • George S.
        Senior Member
        • Aug 2009
        • 10116

        #4
        At least some people give us the recognition ,where as others simply don't.The contribution of the ohrid archiscopic is very significant .Curches such as the serbs don't look at Macedonian church history to be in their favour.That's why recognition is not forthcoming so readily.I for one don't need their recognition,Our church should continue on & stop asking others for recognition.
        Last edited by George S.; 01-18-2014, 02:19 PM.
        "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
        GOTSE DELCEV

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        • Carlin
          Senior Member
          • Dec 2011
          • 3332

          #5
          This is an interesting topic. I do not want to create new thread(s), so I will post this information here - which is regarding the ethnic origins of modern Montenegrins.

          I will not claim anything new - other than what others have written already about it.

          According to author Miroslav Ćosović:
          - the Montenegrins are mainly a mixture of Vlachs and Albanians --> http://www.in4s.net/cosovic-crnogorc...laha-albanaca/
          - the Montenegrins have very little Slavic genes --> https://www.scribd.com/doc/159357933...klo-Crnogoraca
          - in the article/link below, he states that Serbia proper in the 18th century was almost empty, citing the work of the two academics Radovan Samardzic and Vasa Cubrilovic. From the 18th century onward, Serbia was settled primarily by people such as the Roma (Gypsies), Vlachs and Slavs from Macedonia and Bulgaria. (Medieval Serbs almost did not exist in Serbia after 1739.) --> http://portalanalitika.me/clanak/858...rpskih-iluzija

          According to Sokratis Liakos, writing all the way back in 1965 (in his book "The origins of the Armonians (Vlachs)") - the Montenegrins are "SLAVICIZED KERAUNI ILLYRIOVLACHS". Image attached below (in Greek).

          Tsarno Gortsi (Maurovounioi)
          EKSLAUISMENOI KERAUNIOI ILLURIOBLAXOI
          --> Slavicized Kerauni Illyriovlachs.



          For Fair Use.

          PS: Domenico Negri states in the year 1550 that the Cetinje Vlachs speak a corrupt Latin language and call themselves Romans.
          Last edited by Carlin; 06-07-2016, 04:43 PM.

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          • Carlin
            Senior Member
            • Dec 2011
            • 3332

            #6
            Originally posted by DedoAleko View Post
            google translate:

            How Montenegrins began to call themselves Macedonians (under the influence of the Archbishopric of Ohrid), and after that Serbs (because they belong to Serbian Patriarchate of Pec)

            (Excerpt from the work Sretena Zekovića " the historical foundation of Montenegrin ethnicity or nationality " )

            Influential CHURCH AUTHORITIES

            Under the authority of the Ohrid Archbishopric , and ecclesiastical - religious center , was given the territory of Montenegro , in the mid-15th nekijema v . ( Danilo Radojevic , Montenegro and Littoral metropolitanate , Encyclopedia of Yugoslavia , 3 , CRN Đ , Yugoslav Lexicographic Institute , Zagreb, 1984 , 148 ) , and the drugijema end of the same century . ( 1499) ( R. Grujic , Montenegro metropolitanate in the National Encyclopedia Serbo-Croat- Slovene professor . St. . Stojanovic , Vol IV . , 923 ) .

            The first view is confirmed by the Serbian historian Olga Zirojević which considers the Cetinje Metropolitan Diocese came under the jurisdiction of the Ohrid arheipiskopije 1455th ( Serbia under Turkish rule from 1450 to 1804 , Novi Sad, 1995 , 148 ) .

            Macedonia's Name encounters in the wide sense of the entire Balkans , including Montenegro ( Dragutin Anastasijević in Stojanovićevoj National Encyclopedia Serbo-Croat- Slovene , Vol II . , Also 1929 , 647 ) . Archival material shows that it left a deep prt ( mode ) in the minds of Montenegrins .

            " OT regions MACEDONIAN , THE COUNTRY OF MONTENEGRO "

            The letter from the 1640th Montenegrin Metropolitan Mardarije the tituliše :

            "I episkup kir Mardarije scenery from Macedonia , from the country of Montenegro , Cetinje Monastery of ... The humble servant in Christ Mardarije , bishop of Montenegro and just coast "
            ( Dr. John Radoniq , Roman Curia and South Slavic countries of VI to XIX century , Belgrade, 1950 , 147) . Dr. John Radonice the phrase " by the scenery mkedonskih " was sufficient to conclude that Bishop Mardarije native Macedonian ( Historical records X / 2, 406-412 ) .
            Risto Dragicevic detail proves that the Montenegrin Metropolitan Mardarije neither ethnic nor linguistic Macedonian. The phrase " by the scenery of Macedonia " means only affiliation Montenegrin Metropolia Ohrid ( Macedonia ) church. Dragicevic said more data that will confirm his claim .

            Impact veljedržavne and veljecrkovne policy

            From this " sacred imperial law" stemmed imentovanje podvlašćenijeh nations and states prma name of conquering the state , the church and religion . The " imperial history " knew the oslovljavati individuals , populations , nations and states to veljedržavnoj pripadanosti and veljecrkovnoj jurisdiction, territorial and socio -tier membership . That works rulers , bishops and nobles in the imperial višenarodnosnoj state, church , and according to their " leading the ruling nation ," for example . Serbian , often known terminology called " srpskijem rulers " , " srpskijem hierarchs " , " srpskijem patriarchs " , " srpskijem countries " ( provinces , provinces , etc. . ) , although they are not Serbian , but utterly other nationalities . Especially is this true of ecclesiastical jurisdiction , or autocephalous churches , particularly the Patriarchate Archbishop , whose name it bears all dioceses and other church ranks in their frame. It was common , quite quickly getting used to it , be officially accepted as the velji importance , role and receptivity of the church . Significantly influenced the consciousness of the people and its crkovnijeh rep fiends who therefore titulisali , determined his identity, which creates confusion in recognition of their National, homeland , Homeland and national commitment .

            Montenegrins are the church once " were" Macedonians
            Typo BV Podgoričanin the svojijem books written in 1520. and 1537 :
            " By patriotism Moega by country Dioklitiskije , Hedgehog is in predjeleh Macedonian city of Podgorica naricajemago "

            ( Lj. Stanojevic , Old Serbian inscriptions and records , no. 494, 161 ) .

            In his third book in 1538. Bozidar Vukovic repeating the same phrase . Wolf St . Karadzic this formulation Bozidar Vukovic explained by " the macedonija Serbian name all the countries of our people , as in the folk song ... Đurađ Smederevac called king of macedonija " ...

            HOW TO MORAČA macedonija ?

            Montenegrin monastery monks Morače in 1615. write to their monastery " in the field hercegovskoj in western sides and appetizers maćedonskih " ( Dr. Jevto T. Novak , Proceedings of documents from the history of Montenegro ( 1685-1728 ). , Historical Institute of the People's Republic of Montenegro, Cetinje , 1956) .

            Also, a letter of Bishop - master Danilo Petrovic Russian Czar Peter the Great of 28 January in 1712. ends like this: " From Montenegro Macedonia " or more appropriate translation from the Montenegro region ( province ) in Macedonia " , and in Italian : '' Written Montenegro de di Macedonija part of the region " (ibid. ) . They knew Bishop Danilo and Montenegrin heads to Montenegro in Macedonia , but also write the crkovnoj jurisdiction.

            " BISHOP OF Makedonja ... from Cetinje "

            The only way to grasp the position of , or galimatijasne , history of Skanderbeg Crnojevic the holy baptism called Đurađ , Martina Skadar , ie its translation from Latin and transcript of Bishop Basil that " Ivan Kastrioti Crnojević genus kings of Macedonia " ( Dr. B. Šekularac , Cetinje chronicles, too ) . So you can understand the name Kanjoš Macedonović . This , Zanaga , not for them did not mean that " Montenegro Macedonian country " or that "Montenegrins Makedonjani " .

            After returning from Montenegro , the Russian Colonel Michael Miloradović ( born in Herzegovina ) in 1712. signed in svojijem letters as " Colonel Cavalier and Macedonian ."
            In Vienna 15:12 . In 1714. issued passport Bishop - master Montenegrin Danilo Petrovic which says that Dani " Bishop of Cetinje : Macedonia ... " .

            It's not confuse the Russian interpreters of Daniel's passport , but were translated into Russian accept that naming practice (St. Dimitrijevic , materials for the Serbian history from the Russian archives and libraries Monument LIII , in 1922. , 56) .

            MAKEDONJANI - PO CRKOVNOJ JURISDICTION

            In a letter crnogorskijeh chief of 09/08/1742 . Russian empress also mentions the phrase " in the region of Macedonia " (Mark Dragovic , Materials for the history of Montenegro times Metropolitan Danilo , Sava and Basil Petrovic Monument XXV , 2 ) .

            In a reply dated 10 5 In 1744. Empress also Otpozdravljam the same syntagm (ibid., 7 ) . And in a letter to the Metropolitan Basin and crnogorskijeh chief of 25 5 In 1752. Russian Empress mentions : " ... in all countries of Macedonia " (ibid. , 9 ) .

            There Tusto prirmjera to show that this expression was significantly spread out and Montenegro . It occurs in the Serbian National chanters (see the detail : Vojislav P. Nikčević , Ohrid and Pec Patriarchate in Južnijeh ethnogenesis of the Slavs , Lučindan - Voice of CPC , Cetinje , Christmas 2004 , no. 10 , 52-56 ) .

            Crnogordki Bishop - master Danilo Petrovic , the than Montenegrins and others discussed above , in more formal correspondence Stay Montenegro in Macedon , a self imentuju as Makedonjane only crkovnoj jurisdiction because the Montenegrin Church used to be under the canonical jurisdiction of the Macedonian Orthodox Church , and the Archbishopric of Ohrid . This , Zanaga for them did not mean that " Montenegro Macedonian country " , or that "Montenegrins - Makedonjani " .

            BY FAITH - " MONTENEGRO SERBIAN LAND "

            By the same token it unreasonably to the Serbian Orthodox Church , her older and local predstojatelji , Serbian , pro-Serbian science Kulturologija and policies that "Montenegro is Serbian land" and that " Montenegrins Serbs " (only ) on the basis that the Montenegrin metropolitanate the imperial Vatku ( for a while together with the state of Montenegro ) was under the jurisdiction of the Patriarchate of Pec , Church and serbian , as it was , Bulgaria and others, particularly in time (calculated ) Turkish Patriarchate of Pec .

            Montenegrins " become " the Serbs because they were under the Serbian Empire and Patriarchate of Pec

            Take for example the first written history of Montenegro Bishop - master Basil Petrovic ( History of Montenegro , Montenegrin Lexicographic Institute , Titograd) who writes under the substantial , if not the prevailing influence - as the choir in the Preface - Kingdom of the Slavs Mavro Orbin and " many ancient history , especially those that are now found in Athos ( Holy ) burns in Hilendar , the Serbians and the monastery of Studenica , and Decani , the Serbian Patriarchate of Pec ... " (ibid. , 31) . All it would affect the Bishop - master Montenegrin Basil receive the terminology of the Pec Patriarchate , which is equated Serbian Empire and its jurisdiction with Serbhood , and with it ethnic , ethnically belonging svijeh who were in their frame. It handles and the period when the Zeta resident / Montenegrins and Zeta / Montenegro were ruled " srpskijeh car ( EV ) a " . Speak of the famous (in fact mighty , mighty ) nemanjićkoj Empire , to which it was at one time and won Zeta , under the jurisdiction of the imperial Pec patrirjaršije was the Zeta and Montenegrin Metropolitan Diocese . Specifies that says " description of the position and pređašnjijeh rulers of our country Montenegro , with a side dish of saints emperors srpskijeh " (ibid. , 23) . Subsequently , in Russia , writes supplement entitled "Number srpskijeh bishops , in addition to the Metropolitan of Montenegro " , which is one of izrazitijeh such as the ability of identifying the Serbian Empire and jurisdidkcije Pec Patriarchate called . srednjovjekovnijem Serbs. Former pripadanost conquering Serbian state, the church and religion ( ritual ) terminology is trying to mix and confuse the Serbian ethnic affiliation , although Basil knows that the former Serbian state, church and ritual ( religion ) višenarodnosni , multiethnic , consisting of more samobitnijeh people and state ( " drugijeh brave people" , except in the Serbian imperial srpskj of church and state ).

            izvor: http://crnogorskapitanja.wordpress.c...atrijarsiji-2/
            In Macedonian -

            Црногорците се именувале како Македонци кога ја ковале државата

            СРЕТЕН ЗЕKОВИЌ, ЦРНОГОРСKИ ИСТОРИЧАР

            Во еден период на своето историско постоење Црногорците се именувале како „Македоњани“, односно како Македонци, а за својата земја посочувале дека е „македонски предели“. Ваквата пракса почнала од средината на 15 век, откако нивната Цетињска митрополија потпаднала под јурисдикција на Охридска архиепископија. Македонските термини биле често употребувани во официјалните документи од значајни црногорски личности, а нив ги користел и самиот црногорски владика Данило, кој е основоположник на црногорската династија Петровиќи. Црногорското прифаќање да се именуваат како „Македоњани од македонски предели“ се должело на тогашната пракса со која одредено население се именувало зависно од тоа која и чија црква имала јурисдикција врз територијата на која тоа живеело.

            Вакво сведоштво посочува познатиот црногорски историчар Сретен Зековиќ во својот голем научен труд насловен како „Историската втемеленост на црногорската националност“. Во трудот тој се осврнува и на овој период од црногорската историја, истакнувајќи многу примери за тоа како Црногорците се претставувале како Македонци.

            Последица на империјално право

            Некои од примерите и досега беа познати во научната јавност, но сега се посочени многу повеќе примери. Освен тоа, се истакнува и дека македонски термини биле употребувани и од други христијански народи врз кои тогашната Охридска архиепископија, чија наследничка е МПЦ-ОА, имала своја јурисдикција.

            Историчарот Зековиќ во изјавата за „Дневник“ ни рече дека постојат многу документи од кои се гледа дека видни црногорски личности се изјаснувале дека се од „македонски предели“ и оти се именувале како „Македоњани“. Таква била праксата.

            - Во тој период постоеше „свето империјално право“ од кое произлегуваше именувањето на потчинетите народи и држави според името на државата, црквата или верата што ги потчинила. Тоа особено важеше за црковната јурисдикција, односно за автокефалната црква, патријаршија и архиепископија, чии имиња ги носеа сите епископии. Тоа беше вообичаено и населението на тоа брзо се навикувало со оглед на тогашната улога и значењето на црквата. Тоа влијаеше и на свеста на народот и на неговите црковни претставници, кои според тоа си ги определувале титулите и својата припадност. Тоа создава одредена збрка во препознавањето на припадноста на одреден народ, татковина и држава - потенцира Зековиќ.

            Познато е дека Охридската архиепископија е првата словенска православна црква, која дејствувала на голем дел од Балканскиот Полуостров, особено од средината на 15 век, кога под своја јурисдикција опфаќала многу земји и народи што живееле на Балканот. Зековиќ истакнува дека охридската јурисдикција оставила длабока македонска трага кај Црногорците.

            - На пример, во своето писмо од 1640 година тогашниот црногорски митрополит Мардарие се титулира како „Јас епискуп кир Мардарие от предјел македонских, от земље Црне Горе...“ Историчарот Јован Радониќ сметаше дека тоа е доказ оти тој е и етнички Македонец, но има докази дека синтагмата „од македонските предели“ означува само припадност на Охридската, односно, на македонската црква - објаснува црногорскиот историчар, кој е жесток поборник на самобитноста на црногорскиот народ.

            Генеза од македонски кралеви

            Истата синтагма двапати, во 1520 и во 1537 година, употребил и познатиот печатар Божидар Вуковиќ. Тој напишал: „Од отачаства моега от земље Диоклитискије, еже јест у предјелех македонских от града нарицајемаго Подгорица“. Македонски предели спомнуваат и монасите од манастирот Морача.

            - Самиот владетел на Црна Гора, Данило Петровиќ, своето писмо до рускиот цар Петар Велики од 28 јануари 1712 го завршува на следниот начин: Од Црна Гора во Македонија. Појасно кажано, тоа значи дека Црна Гора е регија во Македонија. Има и запис дека е „Иван Kастриот Црнојевиќ од родот на македонските кралеви“. По враќањето од Црна Гора, пак, рускиот полковник Михаило Милорадович во своите писма се потпишува како „кавалер македонски“ - додава Зековиќ.

            Тој објаснува дека круна на сево ова е што тогашниот црногорски владика Данило Петровиќ во службените дописи Црна Гора ја сместувал во Македонија.

            - Тој и другите се именуваат како Македоњани само по основа на црковната јурисдикција. Во 1714 година нему му бил издаден пасош на кој пишувало дека е „бискуп од Македонија од Цетиње“. Но, сево ова не значи дека Црна Гора е македонска земја и оти Црногорците се „Македоњани“ - вели Зековиќ.

            Неоснована теза за црногорско „српство“

            Зековиќ истакнува дека по иста логика неосновано се тврди оти „Црна Гора е српска земја“ и оти „Црногорците се Срби“.

            - Ова се прави зашто Црногорската митрополија во еден период, со црногорската држава, беше под јурисдикција на Пеќската патријаршија, односно на Српската црква. На тој начин некогашната припадност кон српската освојувачка држава, црква и верски обреди терминолошки погрешно се мешаат со етничката српска припадност - истакнува тој.

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            Во еден период на своето историско постоење Црногорците се именувале како „Македоњани“, односно како Македонци, а за својата земја посочувале дека е „македонски предели“. Ваквата пракса почнала од средината на 15 век, откако нивната Цетињска митрополија потпаднала под јурисдикција на Охридска архиепископија. Македонските термини биле често употребувани во официјалните документи од значајни црногорски личности, а нив ги користел и самиот црногорски владика Данило, кој е основоположник на црногорската династија Петровиќи. Црногорското прифаќање да се именуваат како „Македоњани од македонски предели“ се должело на тогашната пракса со која одредено население се именувало зависно од тоа која и чија црква имала јурисдикција врз територијата на која тоа живеело.

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            • Soldier of Macedon
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2008
              • 13670

              #7
              This is an interesting case where the same information can be used to serve different purposes. For Montenegrins, it helps them argue that the Serb name in their history is associated with the Patriarchate of Peč and as such has religious connotations, because similar examples can be put forth where people and regions within Montenegro are referred to as Macedonian because of the association with the Archbishopric of Ohrid. For Macedonians, it is evidence that the national name of their country was still in existence during the middle ages and that it is specifically associated with the Archbishopric of Ohrid. All in all, some good sources.
              In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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