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Old 12-10-2018, 02:03 PM   #1
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I don't know if this is the right sub forum to post in or maybe history, but just wanted to share some stories of mine from talking with my baba and dedo about living in aegean macedonia and the stuff they went through as everyone knows the greek occupation was a struggle for everyone in Aegean and still is today.

Maybe if anyone knows/has similar stories they could help me out since I'm trying to piece their stories together as their is stuff they don't remember/is missing since they are second and third hand accounts; as well I welcome anyone else to share their own stories/experiences and accounts from macedonia. These stories take place from the end of world war two and throughout the greek civil war.

I don't know to much of my dedo's family on my fathers side of the family but my baba's family were persecuted and her mother, two year old brother and grandmother were sent to jail while her father was serving in the army I think this had happened around the beginning of the civil war and during that time my baba was I think 3 or 4 years old and was left at home until a neighbour found her and cared for her while her mother, brother and grandmother were in jail.

Another time my babas father was sent jail to the greek island of Makronisos while serving in the greek army (it was mandatory) though he was never deployed he was sent because they found out he was macedonian and supported the peoples liberation army of macedonia while in Makronisos for 3 year he was beat daily by priests and was malnourished I'm told he never went to church again because of that.

On my moms side of the family I was talking with my dedo recently and some things he told me were very interesting; As well as my babas grandfather on my Tate's side of the family my dedo's grandfather or father I'm not too sure was also sent to Makronisos I think it was because a villager told the police on him for speaking macedonian or something stupid since thats what was happening back then cause if you told the police something I think you became immune from persecution/above the law.

This is the story I'm most fascinated and proud of; my dedo's uncle it turns out was a Komiti/fighter in the peoples liberation army of macedonia, and during that time I think he was helping the macedonian children escape greece and help deliver supplies and food; whats so fascinating and got me interested is what had hapend to him during/after the war, so during the war it turns out he was shot and the family assumed he was dead since they could never find him, ten years latter the Red Cross informed my dedo's family that he was located in Russia. It's very interesting my dedo doesn't know how he ended up their or what he was doing there so its still a mystery to me that I am very in awe of. (don't know for sure but am speculating after reading wikipedia) I think because the national liberation front was in support of the soviet union after the Tito-Stalin split it could of led to my dedo's uncle making his way to the Soviet Union after the exodus of the national liberation front from greece and the closing of the Yugoslav borders to them by Tito because they supported the Soviet Union; since they lost the war.

Another story my dedo told me though this one made me very sad and angry; the reason the komiti were helping the macedonian children refugees escape greece into Europe was because the greek army was burning the villages and beheading the heads of these children, he said his father told him how he saw one of those big 3/4 army trucks stoped in Lerin and saw that the driver was shaking/distraught so he asked him what happened and he told him to go look in the back and there was the heads of ethnic macedonian children, the driver told my dedo's father that his orders are to drive to Athens to show them the evidence (this is how sick greece is).

A final story that isn't really isn't associated to my family; in the mid 1960's when my dedo was mandatory serving in the greek army he was in solun since one of his duties was to deliver mail and he met this old man who was also in the army they were talking and the old man could tell that my dedo wasn't greek but macedonian and told him to be proud of who he is and never forget that; he also told him how after the second balkan war most of aegean macedonia and solun was supposed to go to bulgaria but bulgaria had to withdraw most of its troops from the region since it was also fighting romania at the same time. so during that time the greek government sent its army and king to solun at the time and the army executed the king in the city of thessaloniki/solun since they believed in some stupid way that if their king died their it would somehow give them a claim to aegean macedonia/whatever part that bulgaria was occupying at the time (I know it sounds outlandish but crazy stuff happens during war, I tried to figure it out and wikipedia has no real info on the man who killed their king just that he was a drunk and a lot of mystery so I believe this that the army killed their own king to get the land.)

These are my stories although being born in the diaspora I for some reason have such an affinity to my ethnic roots/homeland as on the other hand my cousins couldn't care less maybe I'm just different or their just happy to be Canadians and leave all this stuff behind them but I feel its doing a disservice to not remember the people who fought for and suffered for the macedonian cause and although I make no impact on whats hapening right now with the political situation in the country I guess I try to do my part and educate those who are unaware of the macedonian struggle.

If anyone knows anything about what people from the peoples liberation army did when they got to/were living in russia/soviet union, and where did they mostly live or go in the sovient union/russia can you please share this information or just anything about the komiti leavng greece after rhe civil war and where did they go what did they do because im trying to figure it out as the stroy with my dedo's uncle is so facinating to me.

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Old 12-10-2018, 05:50 PM   #2
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Old 12-10-2018, 09:17 PM   #3
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Donít ever say sorry to that Пичка. Ever.
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Old 12-10-2018, 09:46 PM   #4
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although being born in the diaspora I for some reason have such an affinity to my ethnic roots/homeland as on the other hand my cousins couldn't care less maybe I'm just different or their just happy to be Canadians and leave all this stuff behind them but I feel its doing a disservice to not remember the people who fought for and suffered for the macedonian cause
Meanwhile, your cousins are probably lobbying to save kittens somewhere in the world. What a pity they ignore their own history.

Thanks for the snippets of your own family history.
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Old 12-10-2018, 09:55 PM   #5
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Онај не е пичка, онај е копиле, изрод. Немат зборови, незам како да изјаснам колку е мразам она стокана. Фала му на господ што сме на форум а не во живо, ке го имав убијено до сега.

Крв да му ебам племе гадно.

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Like Tomche said, don't you dare.

Thank you for sharing. Be inquisitive, our old folks have all the knowledge, it is our duty to make sure we help them pass on as much as they can. It is then our duty to make sure we do the same.

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Old 12-10-2018, 11:01 PM   #6
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Okay, thank you everyone for all the kind words and advice i really apreciate it.

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yes your right I shouldn't be sorry I was just trying to be polite.

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Meanwhile, your cousins are probably lobbying to save kittens somewhere in the world. What a pity they ignore their own history.

Thanks for the snippets of your own family history.
no problem. I love my cousins but sometimes it really bugs me to know that they couldnt care less.

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Онај не е пичка, онај е копиле, изрод. Немат зборови, незам како да изјаснам колку е мразам она стокана. Фала му на господ што сме на форум а не во живо, ке го имав убијено до сега.

Крв да му ебам племе гадно.
lol I had to google translate this since I am iliterate.
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thanks for the insight. I am always interested to hear peoples accounts and stories especially from the Aegean side.

it makes sense, 28,000 people don't escape their homeland in the middle of the night for nothing.
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it makes sense, 28,000 people don't escape their homeland in the middle of the night for nothing.
It's interesting that both English and Macedonian Wikipedia entries state that:

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The official Greek position was that these children had been forcibly taken from their parents by the Communists to be brought up under a socialist system. The abduction of children is referred to by Greek historians and politicians as the Paidomazoma (Παιδομάζωμα), alluding to the Ottoman Devşirme.
ď...forcibly taken from their parents by the Communists to be brought up under a socialist system.Ē And who were the communists? 14,000 out of the 20,000 men and women that made up the ranks of the communist forces of Greece (DAG) were ethnic Macedonians. I can pretty much guarantee that not one of those 14,000 Macedonian men and women would have put a higher price to the political party which they fought under, which, at best was nothing more than a means to an end, over their own flesh and blood Ė i.e. their own children or little nephews and nieces. They fought for the Greek Communists because those lying bastards promised them full human rights. If the other side did the same, I'm sure they would have fought for them too. The only condition that the Communists made to this promise was that they abandon any dreams for a United Macedonia.

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At the fifth Plenum of KKE (i.e. The Communist Party of Greece) on January 31, 1949, a resolution was passed declaring that after KKE's victory, the Slavic Macedonians would find their national restoration within a united Greek state. The alliance of the Democratic army with the Slav Macedonians, caused the official Greek state propaganda to call the communist guerillas Eamovulgari (from EAM plus Bulgarians) while the communists were calling their opponents Monarchofasistes (Monarch fascists).
Incidentally, I did the maths and the 14,000 Macedonian fighters works out to be exactly 70% of the combined communist forces of Greece. The other 6,000 were made up of Greeks and Vlahs from right across Greece. So, when anyone tells you this was an ideological civil war between fellow Greeks, that is to say, Greek against Greek, the numbers speak otherwise I'm afraid. This was a Greek war on the Macedonians of Greece, plain and simple. Greece, and the west painted it out to be just an ideological war (i.e. Communism V Democracy) but the fact is the Greek Civil War was a genocidal war against the Macedonians. Win or lose, the KKE and DAG were never going to honour their end of the deal. They were going to stiff the Macedonians regardless. And, thanks to US and British backing, not to mention US made napalm, the result was never in question.

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Napalm was invented on Valentine's Day 1942 in a top-secret Harvard University weapons research laboratory in Cambridge, Massachusetts. Professor Louis Fieser tested the first napalm bomb on the Harvard College soccer field that Independence Day. It went on to support the Allies in Europe, incinerate 64 of Japan's 67 largest cities, and help America win World War II: the Bomb got the press, but napalm did the work.
Napalm describes any form of thickened hydrocarbon: torturously hot and sticky when ignited, stable at high and low temperatures, cheap, easy to transport, and simple to prepare. It is one of the most devastating weapons ever invented.
Air force commanders around the world embraced incendiary gel after they observed its effectiveness. Greek bombers used U.S. napalm to annihilate civil war enemies in 1948...
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This is a semi-official list by the Communist Party, listing all incidents of beheadings or dead bodies of rebels exposed in public view. As you can see there's a total of 129 incidents and according to the map, less than 10 (?) in Macedonia. The map also indicates whether the Greek Civil War was about Macedonia.

http://kokkinosfakelos.blogspot.com/...g-post_23.html

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The Greek Civil War was indeed about Macedonia. It was not only about Macedonia, but it was certainly about control of Macedonia.
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