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Old 02-10-2019, 06:50 AM   #2331
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Macedonian Foreign Affairs Ministry begins referring to the country as “Republic of North Macedonia”

It's happening..!
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Old 02-10-2019, 07:21 AM   #2332
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Old 02-10-2019, 11:43 AM   #2333
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Within the next six months, North Macedonia must rename state institutions, rewrite school textbooks and relabel public monuments.

Source: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/...095952353.html
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Greek twitter user posted this photo of a new sign at the Gevgeli border crossing

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Old 02-10-2019, 07:39 PM   #2335
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Greek twitter user posted this photo of a new sign at the Gevgeli border crossing

Probably fake, theres no Albanian translation...
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Probably fake, theres no Albanian translation...
Absolutely fake. Also the fact that there isn't any EU/US flags on there is a dead give away.
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Old 02-10-2019, 08:31 PM   #2337
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Absolutely fake. Also the fact that there isn't any EU/US flags on there is a dead give away.
I thought there had to be a period of 7 days, post ratification in the Greek parliament for these things to be put in motion...

When the new signs are eventually rolled out, I wonder if Zaev will participate in a ribbon cutting ceremony?
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I thought there had to be a period of 7 days, post ratification in the Greek parliament for these things to be put in motion...

When the new signs are eventually rolled out, I wonder if Zaev will participate in a ribbon cutting ceremony?
I was joking. I'm sure Zaev will be there declaring we won the name war. In 10 years, with all traces of 'Macedonia' being replaced with 'North Macedonia', who out of that lot will remember what happened anyway? It'll be like they were always North Macedonia. In fact, I'm sure they'll find an inscription with that name right next to the stone with the ventilator on it (which was actually a stick drawing of a sun which most 5 year olds do at school).
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I was joking. I'm sure Zaev will be there declaring we won the name war. In 10 years, with all traces of 'Macedonia' being replaced with 'North Macedonia', who out of that lot will remember what happened anyway? It'll be like they were always North Macedonia. In fact, I'm sure they'll find an inscription with that name right next to the stone with the ventilator on it (which was actually a stick drawing of a sun which most 5 year olds do at school).
Those twats over there certainly do have amnesia regarding negative shit done to Macedonia and the Macedonians.
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Macedonia Joining NATO Is a Self-Inflicted Defeat for Russia (Op-ed)

In the Macedonian settlement, Russia chose a tactic that was doomed to fail.

The world’s media is talking of a fresh defeat for Russia: that NATO, having overcome Russian resistance, is once again expanding in the Balkans, welcoming Macedonia into its ranks.*In a fairytale ending, of all the 29 NATO members, Greece — with which there were the most problems in this story — will symbolically sign the entry protocol first.*

Amid this idyllic scene, Russia has been left to play the role of the evil fairy godmother who tried to ruin the celebration for everyone out of pure spite, but failed miserably. And just like in a fairytale, the happy ending for Macedonia and NATO was obvious right from the start. Yet Russia still elected to take an invariably doomed position.*

This episode shows that confronting the West has become an intrinsic value for Russia, regardless of the outcome. If there is a chance to make a point, then it should be used, even if making that stand is pointless, will only frustrate everyone, and will harm Russia’s own interests. In true Dostoyevsky style, the more hopeless the endeavor, the sweeter the self-inflicted defeat.

Ten years ago, when Albania and Croatia joined NATO without any particular Russian involvement, few could have thought that it would be any different with Macedonia. Russia has never had any particular interests or levers of influence there.

But in 2014, the Ukraine crisis broke out,*severely damaging Russia’s relations with the West, and in 2015, there were mass protests in Macedonia against the government of then prime minister Nikola Gruevski. This coincidence was enough for Moscow to bring up its favorite topic of color revolutions and describe the protests as meddling by foreign powers. The fact that the EU had for years praised Gruevski as a pro-Western reformer did not discourage the Russian leadership, nor did the fact that the Macedonian premier and his*VMRO-DPMNE party were staunch supporters of the country joining NATO.*

Naturally, in the case of distant Macedonia, there was no question of emergency loans or special operations, or even of refuge for Gruevski in Russia like that given to ousted Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych. But none of this was necessary in the tense atmosphere charged by the Ukrainian crisis and election of Donald Trump in the United States.

Critical statements by the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, damning publications in state-owned Russian*media, suspicious activity on social*media, and a visit to the Kremlin by Macedonian President Gjorge Ivanov*— who is close to Gruevski — were all enough to convince the West of large-scale Russian interference in Macedonia aimed at changing the country’s geopolitical orientation.* *

After that, there was no turning back the tide. The West mobilized to help Macedonia’s new ruling coalition of Social Democrats and ethnic Albanian minority parties not only to come to power, but to demonstrate progress in integrating with NATO and the EU. Russia, deeply allergic to any expansion of NATO, was forced to focus on the final conflict obstructing the integration of Macedonia into those two bodies: the dispute with Greece over Macedonia’s name.*

While the West put all its efforts into mediation between Greece and Macedonia in that dispute, Russia chose a tactic that did not even theoretically allow for the possibility of success. Moscow effectively suggested to both countries that they do nothing and simply wait until the issue became less sensitive, as if the*preceding twenty-seven years hadn’t been enough.

The Prespa agreement on changing Macedonia’s name to North Macedonia was*signed by the governments of both Greece and Macedonia. Yet Russia still continued to criticize the deal as unacceptable, on the basis that*it angered nationalists in both countries.

There were, in fact, many fair points in Russia’s criticism, and an agreement was only reached thanks to strong pressure from the West. The deal was supported by more than 90 percent of voters in a non-binding referendum in Macedonia, but turnout was just*38 percent, rather than the 50 percent required for a valid result. The*wording of the referendum was clearly manipulative: there was no mention of the name change, but joining the EU and NATO was promised on condition of approving the deal. To get the required number of votes in the Macedonian parliament, the government was forced to amnesty opposition politicians accused of storming the legislature in 2017. It fell to the speaker of parliament to sign the law amending the constitution to rename the country, after President Ivanov refused to do*so.

Macedonia*is a parliamentary republic, so in the end, all the formalities were observed, but the process was hardly akin to a genuine reconciliation between nations. Even in Greece,*where a simple majority in parliament was enough to approve the deal, voting on the agreement led to the collapse of the ruling coalition.*

Amid so many complications, the settlement*could have foundered many times and slipped down the West’s list of priorities — if it hadn’t been for the stubborn criticism coming from Russia.

Moscow’s ostentatious hostility meant the West blamed any difficulties over Macedonia on Kremlin machinations, and it resolved not*to give up under any circumstances, because the stakes had suddenly grown from a small peripheral Balkans state to defeat in the geopolitical standoff with Russia. And it was Russia that raised these stakes.

Furthermore, it’s really not clear what long-term success would have looked like for Russia. Macedonia needed the deal to realize its long-held dream of joining the EU and NATO, while Greece needed it to safeguard itself from growing Turkish influence to its north, in Macedonia. In both cases, these are non-partisan priorities that would not have disappeared with a regime change.

By supporting opponents of the agreement, Moscow has got drawn into the domestic politics of both countries, and has aligned itself not*only with one side, but with a side that would no longer have had any use for Russian help once it was in power anyway: politicians in both Greece and Macedonia only need to criticize the agreement as a way of coming to power. Then the new leaders will happily write off unpopular decisions as the legacy of their predecessors, and will be only too glad*to live in a more comfortable reality.

The results of Russia’s involvement in the*Macedonian settlement are woeful. Greece, which didn’t expel any Russian diplomats even after the international scandal that followed the*poisoning of former Russian spy Sergei Skripal, has now expelled two.

The Macedonian government sees Russia as an enemy, while the Macedonian opposition has no intention of orienting itself on Moscow, and continues*to support Macedonia’s entry into NATO. The country will join the alliance far more quickly than people there could ever have dreamt not so long ago.

All of this has turned into yet another source of irritation in the already fraught relations between Russia and the West.*Russia’s attempt to resist the inevitable has only hastened its advance, while adding a dash of international humiliation for Russia and*damaging its interests in the region.

Maxim Samorukov is Deputy Editor at the Carnegie Moscow Center, where this article was orginally published. The views and opinions expressed in opinion pieces do not necessarily reflect the position of The Moscow Times
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