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Old 05-20-2010, 05:51 PM   #1
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Default Goce Delchev's legacy

I am starting this thread at the suggestion of fellow forum members who thought that it worthwhile to have a thread dedicated to Goce Delchev quotes. Apart from quotes, I invite people to post any other material that might encourage a deeper understanding of what Goce Delchev was about than the relatively superficial perceptions generated by official state institutions and their conformists.

To give the thread a sense of direction and make it more than a history thread, I think we should focus on material that is indicative of how Delchev might address the trials and tribulations facing the Macedonian people today. I also suggest sticking to the Latin alphabet, for the benefit of those Macedonians (particularly those originating from the Aegean region) who have not had the opportunity to study and become accustomed to the Cyrillic alphabet.

I'll start with a quote that I think best summarizes what he viewed as his most fundamental cause:

"Moralnata revolucija – revolucijata vo umot, srceto i dushata na eden ropski narod, e najgolemata zadacha." Goce Delchev vo okruzhno pismo od 8-14 Mart 1901. (Hristo Andonov Poljanski, Goce Delchev - Kon osumdesetgodishninata od zaginuvanjeto na Goce Delchev, Istarska Naklada, Pula 1985, p. 206)

"The moral revolution - the revolution of the mind, heart and soul of an enslaved people, is our greatest task."
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Old 05-22-2010, 04:11 AM   #2
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Firstly, can we make this a sticky?

Secondly, I want to start building up an deeper understanding of the quote that Aleksandrov just posted.

"The moral revolution - the revolution of the mind, heart and soul of an enslaved people, is our greatest task."

Probably one of the best quotes to start with – Delcev’s very own definition of the cause. Though, many have trouble understanding it and therefore over look its value and significance not only to the Macedonians of the time but to us here and now.

What exactly did Delcev mean by a “revolution of the mind, heart and soul of an enslaved people”?

This is probably best answered by looking at how the Macedonians were enslaved. Certainly, the Macedonians were enslaved in the traditional sense, having lost, amongst other freedoms, their political freedom under Ottoman rule. However, and more importantly, I think what Delcev was getting to was that they were intellectually enslaved. They had been downtrodden and taught to believe that they were somehow subhuman, that they, unlike other peoples, could not make it alone as masters of their own land and that they needed a ‘big brother’ or ‘master’ to protect and guide them.

This is why Delcev called on the Macedonians to first free themselves from their framework of thinking, from their current beliefs and opinions of themselves and the world around them. How could they free themselves from foreign oppressors and why would they even risk their lives if they did not believe in their own abilities or did not believe that they COULD and SHOULD live as free people.

A similar point was made by John Adams over a century before:

“The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations. This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people, was the real American Revolution.”

If like many Macedonians today, and in Delcev’s time, we accept “realities” such as the Interim Accord or the Framework Agreement, and we can’t think outside of our little box, then we will forever remain subdued and serve foreign interests. Delcev called on the Macedonians to break out of their little box and think outside of it – to think like every other free people – and this call is just as significant and important right now.

How many times have we seen someone say “I support a free Macedonia, but we have to accept the reality of this and that”. That is the enslavement that Delcev struggled against. A person supposedly supporting a free Macedonia, but then making up excuses as to why it is not possible. There are no excuses, just small-mindedness and fear.
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The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

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Old 05-22-2010, 04:44 AM   #3
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Thanks aleksandrov for starting this thread, I think it's a great idea to look to our past heroes for inspiration and guidance

Vangelovski nice post mate, well done on the explanation, I personally found that quite insightful
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Good elaboration on the concept of moral enslavement, Tom.

Here's another quote that addresses it:

"Grizhete se da ja iskorenite taa slabost [chekanata pomosh odnadvor] i od najzabludeniot strashlivec, pa namesto toa, neka se rodi nepobedlivata sila na samodejnosta i reshitelnosta i togash veruvajte, sekoj eden kje se bori dokraj so najgolema zhestokost...." Goce Delchev, 17 Oktomvri 1895

"Take care to root out that weakness [the expectation of foreign help] even from the most deluded coward, and instead of that, let there be born the unbeatable power of self-reliance and decisiveness, and then, rest assured, everyone will fight to the end most vehemently..."
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Old 05-22-2010, 05:10 AM   #5
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Vangelovski, your intrepretation in the translation is wonderfully done
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It should be noted concisely that a central element of moral slavery is the cowardly opportunism and irrational tendency to be governed by fear. Think about whether the Nazis could have kept as many Jews as they did in concentration camps, for as long as they did, and to murder as many of them as they did, were it not for those Jews that helped them run the concentration camps and send fellow Jews to the gas chambers, in the largely irrational hope that they will thereby escape death themselves. Could the Holocaust have occurred as we know it if a vast majority of Jews lived their lives by the "liberty or death" principle? While some may misconceive the "liberty or death" moto as being suicidal, I would argue that, in given circumstances, it can reduce the loss of life, and particularly the loss of life that's worth living.

The active and passive acceptance by the majority of citizens of the Republic of Macedonia of foreign dictates, including self-destructive acts of capitulation like the Interim Accord and the Framework Agreement, is a clear demonstration of the irrational tendency to be governed by fear. The tendency of mainstream Macedonian political parties to compete for vassal government power by trying to impress "Western' masters and outdo each other in appeasing Greece or Albanian racist separatists is analogous to Jews helping the Nazis govern concentration camps and send their fellow Jews to the gas chambers.
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Old 05-22-2010, 05:22 AM   #7
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aleksandrov, some did live by that motto, have you seen the movie Defiance?
Not many could have done that and survived.
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aleksandrov, some did live by that motto, have you seen the movie Defiance?
Not many could have done that and survived.
i know that some did, but the majority did not. If a majority lived by that motto, the Holocaust might never have occurred, at least not with such a huge scope and scale. Given the ratio of Nazi guards to Jewish prisoners in the concentration camps, how long do you think they could have kept the prisoners in there if a majority of them lived by that motto?

I've seen Defiance. It's a good film, but an even more relevant one for the point I am trying to make is "Uprising".
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I dont disagree with you, I cannot stand human suffering in any way shape or form particularly when the decisionmakers are never accountable and enjoy the benefits of human losses for their stupid farked up ego and gain in this world
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An excellent initiative.
Vangelovski offered an excellent insight.
I do not think we should underestimate the significance of the "moral" aspect of this quote;

Definition of "moral"
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1. Of or concerned with the judgment of the goodness or badness of human action and character: moral scrutiny; a moral quandary.
2. Teaching or exhibiting goodness or correctness of character and behavior: a moral lesson.
3. Conforming to standards of what is right or just in behavior; virtuous: a moral life.
4. Arising from conscience or the sense of right and wrong: a moral obligation.
5. Having psychological rather than physical or tangible effects: a moral victory; moral support.
6. Based on strong likelihood or firm conviction, rather than on the actual evidence: a moral certainty.
By referring to the morality of this kind of revolution, I believe Delchev was stressing its fundamental aspect namely a revolution of the mind. A clever Macedonian man who many choose to ignore to this day.

We should thank his mother and father:
Sultana Delcheva


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