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Old 06-15-2011, 11:28 AM   #1
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"Politarches" and the Vardar Gate inscription
Posted by bethyada at 13:00
Luke is considered by many a pre-eminent historian. His books The Gospel according to Luke and The Acts of the Apostles are written in excellent Greek, and his research and documentation are careful. Anti-biblical bias by some people has led to many claims over the years of several Lukan error. Frequently this unjustified in that many accusations are related to lack of corroborating evidence—as if the sparse extant contemporary records are evidence against what Luke records. An author should not be considered errant solely on the evidence that no other author records the same event. Error is shown by internal and external contradiction, and external contradiction still requires weighting one author more heavily than another.

In Acts Luke mentions Jason being hauled before the city officials

But the Jews were jealous, and taking some wicked men of the rabble, they formed a mob, set the city in an uproar, and attacked the house of Jason, seeking to bring them out to the crowd. And when they could not find them, they dragged Jason and some of the brothers before the city authorities, shouting, "These men who have turned the world upside down have come here also, and Jason has received them, and they are all acting against the decrees of Caesar, saying that there is another king, Jesus." And the people and the city authorities were disturbed when they heard these things. And when they had taken money as security from Jason and the rest, they let them go. (Acts 17:5-9)
The word translated city authorities is politarches (πολιτάρχη). It occurs here twice but nowhere else in extant Greek literature (though apparently a similar term poli(t)archos may be known from classical Greek?). This led earlier critics to claim Luke was in error.

The word is a compound word constructed from polis (city) and arche (ruler). Even if this was a Lukan neologism it is hardly an error. Even so, an archaeological discovery in the 19th century revealed that politarches was an official title: a stone inscription on the Vardar Gate/ Arch in Thessolonica. This arch was near the Vardar River and spanned the famed Egnatian Way. It reads


∙ΠΟΛΕΙΤΑΡΧΟΥΝΤΩΝ ∙ΣΩΣΙΠΑΤΡΟΥ ·ΤΟΥ ·ΚΛΕΟΠΑΤΡΑΣ ·ΚΑΙ ∙ΛΟΥΚΙΟΥ ·ΠΟΝΤΙΟΥ ·ΣΕΚΟΥΝΔΟΥ ·ΥΙΟΥ ·ΑΥΛΟΥ ∙ΑΟΥΙΟΥ ·ΣΑ ∙ΒΕΙΝΟΥ ·ΔΗΜΗΤΡΙΟΥ ·ΤΟΥ ·ΦΑΥΣΤΟΥ ·ΔΗΜΗΤΡΙΟΥ ·ΤΟΥ ·ΝΕΙΚ ∙ΟΠΟΛΕΩΣ ·ΖΩΙΛΟΥ ·ΤΟΥ ·ΠΑΡΜΕΝΙΩΝΟΣ ·ΤΟΥ ·ΚΑΙ ·ΜΕΝΙΣΚΟΥ ∙ΓΑΙΟΥ ·ΑΓΙΛΛΗΙΟΥ ·ΠΟΤΕΙΤΟΥ ·ΤΑΜΙΟΥ ·ΤΗΣ ·ΠΟΛΕΩΣ ·ΤΑΥΡΟ ∙Υ ·ΤΟΥ ·ΑΜΜΙΑΣ ·ΤΟΥ ·ΚΑΙ ·ΡΗΓΛΟΥ ·ΓΥΜΝΑΣΙΑΡΧΟΥΝΤΟΣ ·ΤΑΥ ∙ΡΟΥ ·ΤΟΥ ·ΤΑΥΡΟΥ ·ΤΟΥ ·ΚΑΙ ·ΡΗΓΛΟΥ


The first word poleitarchountōn is a variant of politarches showing that this is not a Lukan neologism and that Luke was using an official term, much as he does elsewhere in his books. Other inscriptions containing this word have subsequently been found.

I have minimal concern about authors using neologisms and do not consider them errant. Nevertheless it is important to note that critics of Luke made something of this and they were shown to be incorrect while Luke was vindicated. Though this example may not currently be used against Luke, the fact that historical critics of Luke were proven wrong needs to be remembered when dealing with modern critics of Luke.
http://bethyada.blogspot.com/2010/10...scription.html

Vardar Gate in SOLUN....Macedonian inscriptions not greek...
http://www.slideshare.net/gioulialex/ss-2822668
η ( χρυσή) πύλη του βαρδάρη-the (Golden) Gate Vardar
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Old 06-15-2011, 12:00 PM   #2
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Background

Thessalonica was located at the intersection of two major Roman roads, one leading from Italy eastward (Ignatia Way) and the other from the Danube to the Aegean. Thessalonica’s location and use as a port made it a prominent city. In 168 B.C. it became the capital of the second district of Macedonia and later it was made the capital and major port of the whole Roman province of Macedonia (146 B.C.). In 42 B.C., after the battle at Philippi, Thessalonica was made a free city.



Thessalonica






Historical Background

Thessalonica was located at the intersection of two major Roman roads, one leading from Italy eastward (Ignatia Way) and the other from the Danube to the Aegean. Thessalonica’s location and use as a port made it a prominent city. In 168 B.C. it became the capital of the second district of Macedonia and later it was made the capital and major port of the whole Roman province of Macedonia (146 B.C.). In 42 B.C., after the battle at Philippi, Thessalonica was made a free city.




Excavations

Very little has been uncovered at ancient Thessalonica because Thessaloniki sits atop the remains. The area pictured above and at right was formerly a bus station; when it was moved in 1962, this 1st or 2nd century A.D. forum was revealed. Excavators found a bathhouse and mint dating to the 1st century A.D. below pavement surrounding an odeum. An inscription (30 B.C. to 143 A.D.) from the Vardar gate bears the word politarches, the word Luke used in reference to the officials of the city before whom Jason was brought by the mob (Acts 17:6). The word does not appear in any other Greek literature but does match the archaeology of the site.

Biblical Significance

Paul (with Silas and Timothy) came to Thessalonica from Philippi on his second missionary journey, stopping in Amphipolis and Apollonia before arriving here (Acts 17). He preached in the city’s synagogue, the chief synagogue of the region, for at least three weeks. His ministry was strong, and he established a Jewish-Gentile church, although it was more heavily Gentile (1 Thes. 1:9). When Paul faced great persecution at the hands of the mob, he fled to Berea, but Thessalonians eventually forced him to leave there also (Acts 17:13-14).
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Vardar Gate in SOLUN....Macedonian inscriptions not greek...
http://www.slideshare.net/gioulialex/ss-2822668
η ( χρυσή) πύλη του βαρδάρη-the (Golden) Gate Vardar
What do you mean? What does it say? Something different from what I read?
Actually the name of the Gate was Gate of Axios or Golden Gate. Axios or Naxios was Vardar river, but the name Vardar appeared much later, in the Middle Ages, after the Mayar(?) tribe of Vardarians (Vardarii or Vardariotes in Greek) that settled there.
The Eastern Gate of the city was called Cassandriotice (i.e. Gate of Cassander)

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Very little has been uncovered at ancient Thessalonica because Thessaloniki sits atop the remains.
That’s not true. In the last 4-5 years the works for the underground metro have revealed real archaeological treasures (a total of 4000 objects at the moment). The findings are also used in the ad posters of the metro, as an argument for all those who argued against this project.


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What the inscriptions on the vardar gate in solun are not greek but are in macedonian.
Well rozetta why don't you show us some pictures of the 5000 odd artifacts they found or is the drawing above all you have??
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What the inscriptions on the vardar gate in solun are not greek but are in macedonian.
I mean what’s the point of this phrase “Vardar Gate in SOLUN....Macedonian inscriptions not greek...” above a link that produces this picture?



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Well rozetta why don't you show us some pictures of the 5000 odd artifacts they found or is the drawing above all you have??
It’s not a drawing; it’s a photo-collage. Here’s a few pictures.





Also check these links. The images would not be uploaded.

http://imageshack.us/f/849/9697193.jpg

http://imageshack.us/f/858/9697192.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0cdetwSq-R...xcavations.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0cdetwSq-R...+Artefacts.jpg










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Well this image just proves Only Macedonians lived there and that Macedonians were not Greek.
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I mean what’s the point of this phrase “Vardar Gate in SOLUN....Macedonian inscriptions not greek...” above a link that produces this picture?

Why do you post this picture Rosetta? What does it say and what is it proof of? Please enlighten us.
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Bill77,
That's a great one-liner.

Daskalot,
It is Travolta who posted this quote (check his link)
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http://www.slideshare.net/gioulialex/ss-2822668
η ( χρυσή) πύλη του βαρδάρη-the (Golden) Gate Vardar
Who says I can read it? If it is indeed a "Macedonian inscription not Greek" maybe he should read it and explain what it proves.
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Bill77,
That's a great one-liner.

Daskalot,
It is Travolta who posted this quote (check his link)


Who says I can read it? If it is indeed a "Macedonian inscription not Greek" maybe he should read it and explain what it proves.
I know that he posted it, but you searched the picture on google/wiki and posted it again with this link:
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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/35/Thessaloniki_Filippou.jpg/250px-Thessaloniki_Filippou.jpg
So you have done some work to repost it, please tell us what is says and what it is proof of.

I will post it here once more if you might have lost it.
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