Serbia Pulled Diplomats From Macedonia Over 'Offensive' Actions

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  • Pelagonija
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    • Mar 2017
    • 533

    #16
    Thats ridiculous that the serb priest did not marry that couple. I wouldnt really call that person a priest.

    You mention the significance of Orthodoxy until the 19th century in preserving our culture. Would you agree then that the decline of our culture coincides with the decline of rligious values and morals in MKD?

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    • vicsinad
      Senior Member
      • May 2011
      • 2337

      #17
      Serbia and Macedonia conclude that it was not Macedonian intelligence officials that were spying on the Serbs:


      Nish, 25 August, 2017 - 21:43 (META)

      The ministers of foreign affairs of Macedonia and Serbia, Nikola Dimitrov and Ivica Dachic, held a meeting in Nish about the latest occurrences between Belgrade and Skopje, after the accusations on part of the Serbian authorities about offensive intelligence activities against Serbia.

      The ministers, as was presented during the press conference, have analyzed the evidence thoroughly after which Belgrade withdrew the personnel of its embassy in Skopje and have concluded that the Macedonian government wasn’t involved in those activities.

      The Head of the Serbian diplomacy has stressed that the information regarding the intelligence activities didn’t address the Macedonian government, but a certain security sector, that was done along with a foreign country. Dachic, once again didn’t want to reveal which country was about.

      Dimitrov stressed that the area of intelligence is a delicate matter and that don’t want to speculate in order to cause greater damage.

      -The clearing out of this information has yet to start. I would be happy if the information is true and if it reveals that the Macedonian government is not involved. Therefore, it is especially important for the information to be investigated – said Dimitrov.

      He stressed that the tensions that have accrued in the past few days can be seen as a chance for improvement of the relations between the two countries.

      -Even from moments such as these, we can come up with something good and that is to improve the relations. We can bring them to a better level than they were a week ago. I am aware that the general public is confused and thirsty for information, but because of the nature of this sector I think that during this phase, by revealing all the details can lead us in the wrong direction – said Dimitrov.

      The ministers have expressed their contempt for this way of communicating and have agreed to leave it open continuously.

      In the context of improving the good neighborly relations said that many bilateral subjects were not discussed during the meeting because of which he announced a deepening of the level of communication and the cooperation between the two countries that have traditionally friendly relations.

      In the meantime, the Embassy of Serbia began functioning normally after its personnel returned to Skopje yesterday. The Ambassador Dushanka Divjak – Tomic, as was announced, will return to Macedonia on the 31st of August.
      The ministers of foreign affairs of Macedonia and Serbia, Nikola Dimitrov and Ivica Dachic, held a meeting in Nish about the latest occurrences between Belgrade and Skopje, after the accusations on pa

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      • vicsinad
        Senior Member
        • May 2011
        • 2337

        #18
        Originally posted by Pelagonija View Post

        You mention the significance of Orthodoxy until the 19th century in preserving our culture. Would you agree then that the decline of our culture coincides with the decline of rligious values and morals in MKD?
        Actually, not converting into Muslims helped preserve (and even reshape) our culture because most of our ancestors essentially remained poor peasants in isolated villages as a result of the limited opportunities afforded to Christians. In that sense I don't think it was Orthodoxy per se that preserved the culture, even though it was a significant part of the culture; but rather wanting to hold on to their Christian identity that redefined Macedonian culture.

        I think there is some correlation between the decline of values and principles and the decline (better word for me would probably be "change") in culture, but I think there is more to it, including urbanization, materialism, etc. But I do think there are certain values in religious teachings that are less commonly taught or appreciated nowadays. Still, I also think human nature was just as messed up in many ways back then -- poverty and depression can tempt men to stray... just as we see today in Macedonia.

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        • Risto the Great
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2008
          • 15658

          #19
          Originally posted by Pelagonija View Post
          You mention the significance of Orthodoxy until the 19th century in preserving our culture. Would you agree then that the decline of our culture coincides with the decline of rligious values and morals in MKD?
          I think you would have to define what the decline of our culture means to you.
          Risto the Great
          MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
          "Holding my breath for the revolution."

          Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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          • Pelagonija
            Member
            • Mar 2017
            • 533

            #20
            Originally posted by vicsinad View Post
            Actually, not converting into Muslims helped preserve (and even reshape) our culture because most of our ancestors essentially remained poor peasants in isolated villages as a result of the limited opportunities afforded to Christians. In that sense I don't think it was Orthodoxy per se that preserved the culture, even though it was a significant part of the culture; but rather wanting to hold on to their Christian identity that redefined Macedonian culture.

            I think there is some correlation between the decline of values and principles and the decline (better word for me would probably be "change") in culture, but I think there is more to it, including urbanization, materialism, etc. But I do think there are certain values in religious teachings that are less commonly taught or appreciated nowadays. Still, I also think human nature was just as messed up in many ways back then -- poverty and depression can tempt men to stray... just as we see today in Macedonia.

            Good points.. re urbanisation, materialism. Perhaps nationalism and modernity is incompatible.

            If you don't have strong beliefs then we have the status quo.? No self preservation at a national level.

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            • Pelagonija
              Member
              • Mar 2017
              • 533

              #21
              Originally posted by Risto the Great View Post
              I think you would have to define what the decline of our culture means to you.
              - Decline in population growth
              - Albanization of MKD
              - Extreme division based on political parties
              - Comprimising on national interests FYROM
              - Blindly persuing EU/NATO membership
              - Apathetic population

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              • Risto the Great
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2008
                • 15658

                #22
                I cannot see how religious values and morals would or should impact upon the issues above. And if I'm being completely philosophical about it, I can't see how spirituality at its highest level is even compatible with the concept of nations or nation building.
                Risto the Great
                MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
                "Holding my breath for the revolution."

                Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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