Mother tongue, MACEDONIAN, Lerin(Florina) 1954!

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  • George S.
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2009
    • 10116

    #31
    agomutai you forget that the macedonian language has aLLWAYS existed.You think that it was just created by tito in 1944 or it's a mixture of bulgarianor turkish or greek or bit of both.That is just plain ignorant & silly & you know it to deny that there is a macedonian language means that you have been brainwashed & that's the sheer stupidity.The macedonians mother tounge is the macedonian llanguage.Don't forget your"Slavo macedonian "referral is a smear tactic to appropriate to the greeks what is not theirs.That means you will deny people their basic human rights.
    "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
    GOTSE DELCEV

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    • Onur
      Senior Member
      • Apr 2010
      • 2389

      #32
      So, what`s your opinion about this letter Agamoi? Do you agree with that person? They were speaking non-Greek language because of anti-hellenic propaganda? Their declaration of Vlach, Macedonian, Laz was just a thoughtless act as he says? What happened to this people in Macedonia or these "absurd" people as written in the letter, vanished without a trace?

      All in all, can you produce any counter argument what i wrote here in page one, before i didn't even know what was written in that Greek paper;

      Originally posted by Onur View Post
      The existence of non-Greek people in Macedonia was always a problem for Greece since day one, in 1913. They "resolved" the Turkish problem(600.000 Turks of Aegean Macedonia) in there with population exchange by deporting them to Turkey. Then afterward, they "resolved" the Jewish problem in 1920s-1930s by setting fire in whole Jewish quarter in Salonika and forced them to leave Greece. Then only nuisance remained in there was Macedonians after 1930s.

      It`s quite possible that they used this "communism" nonsense, just to demonize them. Shortly after the WW-2, the terms of "communist and communism" was the most popular insult in capitalist world. If anyone wanted to demonize someone or some group, they were getting accused by being communist. It was like that in Turkey, USA and capitalist Europe too. And it was exact reverse in communist states. For example, communist Bulgarian government used same pretense for Turks of Bulgaria and they have been accused by being the spy of NATO and 350.000 of them has been expelled out. Earlier, Tito did same for the Turks of Macedonia too.


      So, for the Macedonians of Greece, the real problem was they weren't considering themselves as Greeks and this was a possible threat for Greece according to your politicians.
      So, they used the most popular crime of that era as a pretense, "being communist". Well, actually they were right. It was indeed a threat for Greece, because in 1940s-1950s, Macedonia was a Greek territory only for 3-4 decades, not more.

      Greek population in Aegean Macedonia was not more than 10% before 1923. After all that population exchange, expelling Jews and civil war to kill so-called communists, Macedonia became 100% Greek in paper, in just 25-30 years of time.

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      • Daskalot
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2008
        • 4345

        #33
        Originally posted by Agamoi Thytai View Post
        OK teacher,here is a word for word translation:

        Prefecture of Florina Florina,11 March 1954
        To the registrars of the prefecture of Florina

        Because some of you,despite the instructions that have been given and obviously due to ignorance of the meaning of words,continue when composing the statistical accounts (marriages,births,deaths) and especially the births (question 11:”what’s the father’s native tongue?...of the mother?....) to answer thoughtlessly: “Macedonian”,”Albanian”,”Lazian”,”Vlach”,the “Macedonian idiom” e.t.c,we make known to you the following,on which we recommend to focus your attention,so that this absurdity will vanish,which might become a cause of serious misunderstanding and exploitation by the lurking antihellenic propaganda,as it recently happened with the communist bandits that were motivated by foreign agendas,who called the indigenous inhabitants of Greek Macedonia Slavomacedonians e.t.c.
        Language is called the dialect,that has alphabet and grammar,which is officially taught in the schools.”Macedonian” language,as the answer of some of you to the above question is,or “Slavic” language did never exist in Greek Macedonia,those that claim the opposite being victims of antihellenic propaganda,apparently due to ignorance.The idiom spoken by a small percentage of the inhabitants of Macedonia,natives and elderly people mainly,is not an official language but an idiom of local speech,because if it was a language,it ought,as it has been stressed above,to have an alphabet and grammar,that is the correspondence should be conducted in that language,exactly as it happens with Greek,English,French and other official languages.
        After all,it is known to all of you that the motivated by foreign agendas communist bandits,under the commands of their Slav patrons,tried desperate attempts during the foreign occupation and the subsequent bandit war (civil war) to present the indigenous (native) inhabitants of Macedonia as “Slavomacedonians”,and the idiom spoken by a small number of them as “Slavomacedonian language”.
        This is,however,an invention of the Slav agents,communist bandits,because it has been reasonably and officially ascertained that the local speech idiom spoken by very few inhabitants,is an admixture of words from various languages (Greek,Turkish,Latin e.t.c.) amongst whom the Greek language occupies the most prominent place and to the greatest degree.
        This has been examined by great linguists,both Greeks and foreigners and is analyzed in their worthy writings,and it’s also easy to anyone to examine it,if he knows the etymology of the words.
        Regardless of all the above though,and even if the local speech idiom could be considered as language,it would never be possible for it to form a testimony for the ethnological composition of the population of Greek Macedonia,which considers as the greatest of all insults being called by some other name (Slavomacedonian) and not genuine Greek and to forget its historical origin,which is traced back to the ancient Macedonian warriors,who formed the army during the cultural campaign…
        Thank you Agamoi.
        This will help our readers a great deal.
        Macedonian Truth Organisation

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        • Stojacanec
          Member
          • Dec 2009
          • 809

          #34
          Those foreign bandits they are referring to have most likely lived in Aeg MKD much longer than the new occupants.

          I have family freinds that served in the Yugoslav army. They were dissapointed when directed to go north to fight their battles. They wanted to go south and fight for the Macedonian liberation.

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          • fyrOM
            Banned
            • Feb 2010
            • 2180

            #35
            Originally posted by Stojacanec View Post
            I have family freinds that served in the Yugoslav army. They were dissapointed when directed to go north to fight their battles. They wanted to go south and fight for the Macedonian liberation.
            They would have been spitting chips but went along with Tito virtually at gun point. Titos dirty secrete against the Macedonians followed by his totally indecent closing of the border with Greece ordering border guards to shoot anyone crossing leaving the Macedonians in Greece trapped for the slaughter until it was too late and mainly woman and children were left to cross.

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            • George S.
              Senior Member
              • Aug 2009
              • 10116

              #36
              That's how much the greekscare for humanity.They don't even care forthemselves.
              "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
              GOTSE DELCEV

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