Macedonia and Greece will meet in EuroBasket 2011

[Bill77]

I've tried to refrain from commenting on this thread but, I feel I must. While I send my congratulations to the team that beat Greece, I regret that the said team was not Macedonia. Many of the posters seem to have been misinformed. It was a country called FYR Macedonia that beat Greece. It was a country that sewed the ventilator onto its uniform. It was a country that is currently negotiating a "mutually acceptable name" with which it will play against Greece in the future. It was a country that accepted changes to its constitution from Greece and an organisation that carried out terrorist attacks against its civilians and war crimes against its soldiers.

Yeh.....but the Greeks knew who defeated them.

After Loss to Macedonia, Greeks shut down border

Several buses packed with Greek citizens last night parked their vehicles at the Evzoni border crossing (Greek side) and didn't allow any transit of travellers for half an hour, reports Skopje based Kurir.

This 'protest' came as a result of yesterday's loss to Macedonia which apparently made many Greeks unhappy. Protesters carried typical political and Anti Macedonian banners as part of their protest.

Macedonia's Ministry of Interior confirmed the news, explaining that after a short stoppage in transit between the two countries, things were quickly normalized.

Update: An hour ago, there was a similar attempt by Greek nationalists to block the border, reports Skopje based Dnevnik.
http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/19044/48/

I don't think they would have bothered if they truly believed it was fyrom that defeated them.

[Vangelovski]

Yeh.....but the Greeks knew who defeated them.

I don't think they would have bothered if they truly believed it was fyrom that defeated them.

That's going back full circle to the "at least we know who we are...voin na koin, fyrom...who cares". Come on Bill77.

[Makedonska_Kafana]

Unsuccessful attempt for interview with Konstantinos Vasileiadis - YouTube!

[lavce pelagonski]

Macedonia 75 - 63 Bosnia

We are playing Georgia next on the 8th

[lavce pelagonski]

http://www.eurobasket2011.com/en/coid_ZZGAF7DjIgwvtsFbHL1FG2.articleMode_on.html

[Bill77]

That's going back full circle to the "at least we know who we are...voin na koin, fyrom...who cares". Come on Bill77.

Well why are we here promoting Macedonia then? the country some of us were born is called fyrom (by some) "at least we know who we are...who cares".

So No actually, I do care. I am going to promote the statue as Alexander. The country as Macedonia. The basketball side as Macedonian. Those supporters behind the hoop cheering "Makedonia" as Macedonians. I am celebrating this victory with pride. We beat our oppressors on a world stage. This should be a National celebration and Macedonians world wide.

Now you and some others can sit back and not find any positives to promote, apart from a sporting gesture of congratulations to the side (which the Greek players did the same by shaking the opponents hand after the game) instead, promote this voin na koin at every opportunity you get and not realise you are infact giving this "label" some kind of credibility. Where i will tell the world as it is and not be ashamed of the statue, or this Basketball side that had Macedonian fire in their belly that got up against a top 4 Basketball nation. And not because they were a top 4 side, but because they were Greek. Then the Government and the few of you sour puss's can keep advertising Voin na koin, or fyrom and call me "unpatriotic" or "someone who does not care" all you like.

You are not a bad guy Vangelovski, but you are one depressing bloke. Not very inspirational. I would never fight under you in a war incase i put a bullet in my own head. And this goes for a few others. I am not upset at little comments you may make towards me. I appreciate it, for they have woken me up on a number of times. But instead of being inspired (which i first did which is why i joined MTO) i am getting feelings of no hope. Nothing but criticism, doom and gloom. I might aswell join the Maggots on the web forum at least it will not hurt as much negativity coming from them.

Before anyone replies Macedonia is doom and gloom and tells me to smell the coffee. Let me say, yeh yeh, we are aware of this and thanks for bringing it up. But i'll be damned if i sit back and cry over and over about it and not be proavtive.

Finally and Before i go, a Greek news paper reports bullshit, the Macedonian government sent all those patriotic Macedonians to the Basketball to spread propaganda. What a joke and negetive bunch of tossers. They are hurting bigtime and even more reason to celebrate.

Da sve zivi makedoncina i da zivej Makedonia.

[Risto the Great]

After Loss to Macedonia, Greeks shut down border

Wow, is this another embargo?
Remember the last time this happened?
Macedonians gave up their name and changed their flag.
I wonder what they will sacrifice this time.

[Risto the Great]

Sorry Bill,
looks like I added to the doom & gloom lol

[Vangelovski]

Bill,

You can live in your own fantasy world, but I'd rather live in a world where the Macedonian people actually stand up for themselves rather than just pretending to be something while practising something completely different in reality.

If you want to be 'proactive', then you should raise your views with the Macedonian Government about the statue rather than bang on about it to the rest of the world which has no say in the matter, nor do they actually care. Or, you can continue to pretend that its called 'Alexander the Great' and tick it off as a "victory".

[Bill77]

All i know is those patriotic supporters (that live in the same fantasy world as me) that chanted "Makedonia Makedonia" through out the game which most of the world would have heard, achieved more for our cause, than people like your self that would not have turned up in protest. Greek media would have been happy with people like you (according to them) that did not spread propaganda.

cheers mate.

[Vangelovski]

All i know is those patriotic supporters (that live in the same fantasy world as me) that chanted "Makedonia Makedonia" through out the game which most of the world would have heard, achieved more for our cause, than people like your self that would not have turned up in protest. Greek media would have been happy with people like you (according to them) that did not spread propaganda.

cheers mate.

So now you're back to accepting FYROM and the ventilator because they won a basketball game? So long as you know who you are, it doesn't matter what your called officially or what flag you fly, is that right? You see Bill, eventually everyone shows their true colours.

[Bill77]

So now you're back to accepting FYROM and the ventilator because they won a basketball game? So long as you know who you are, it doesn't matter what your called officially or what flag you fly, is that right? You see Bill, eventually everyone shows their true colours.

oh yeh, unlike those numskulls chanting "Makedonia" i would have chanted "fyrom fyrom" si kazav rogojte

Sorry Bill,
looks like I added to the doom & gloom lol

Its ok mate. If i was under your comand, and all you brought was doom and gloom..... at least i when i put a bullet in my own head, i will have a big grin on my face from laughing at your jokes. It beats looking depressed i suppose.

[Vangelovski]

oh yeh, unlike those numskulls chanting "Makedonia" i would have chanted "fyrom fyrom" si kazav rogojte

It doesn't matter what you would have chanted - you are supporting a team representing FYROM and wearing the ventilator. Take a look at the civil disobiedience thread - some food for thought.

[Bill77]

It doesn't matter what you would have chanted - you are supporting a team representing FYROM and wearing the ventilator. Take a look at the civil disobiedience thread - some food for thought.

And thats why i would have chanted along with others "Makedonia" and waving the true Macedonian flag as sign of protest against the sporting authorities, Greece and our Government.

Its better than doing nothing at all.

[United MKD]

It doesn't matter what you would have chanted - you are supporting a team representing FYROM and wearing the ventilator. Take a look at the civil disobiedience thread - some food for thought.

I see where you are coming from with us playing under FYR Macedonia, none of us want that but what would you suggest we do? Not support our players, not chant our name wear our colours in pride? I don't quite understand what you want us to do..