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  • DirtyCodingHabitz
    Member
    • Sep 2010
    • 835

    Greek plan for the disappearance of the Republic of Macedonia

    Link to the official page: Грчки план за исчезнување на Република Македонија

    Remains in force Greek defense strategy for entry into Macedonia in 37 km depth in the case of destabilization. The closest to such an opportunity we were in 2001. Interestingly, it has developed great familiarity between Ahmeti and Dora Bakoyannis. On the side of the UCK fought and guys like Koljo Diamond. Bulgaria offered to us free, and Greece across open borders mass escape of Halkidiki



    Weather is not an ally of the self Greek state policy. In the beginning we are deconstructing its mythological account. The latter, through thousands of pages of analysis, journalistic texts, political statements seen that a good part of the world entered a phase of demystification of the Greek political phenomenon. For this work are aware of the new Greek politicians in the government of George Papandreou.


    But iskompromitiranata and disgraced New Democracy. They are trying to cosmetic peeling to present its modern face, and yet not gibnat at the core of its policy, which is family heritage.

    There are some, especially in Brussels, which is again ready to fall in love with old-new Athens only once demisitficiran myth fallen idol or do not make never again recovered. Papandreou's government, for example, tries to present the world a new face with old Greek-tested tips, and continues to cooperate slatkorechivata front of the cameras, and works shows arrogant nature of Greek foreign policy. Droutsas of his Middle East tour bypassed Syria to punish the recognition of Macedonia with its constitutional name. The Greek opposition to "reset" so that gets rid of iskompromitiranite ekslideri as Constantine Mitsotakis, whom his successor and close partner Antonis Samaras and literally tossed from the party. But the new New Democracy is the same old chauvinist party to the same extreme leader. As the son of PASOK George runs the same chauvinistic policy of his father Andreas in terms Macedonia and Macedonians.

    "Good neighbor"

    For us it is extremely important to deal with the reasons why Mitsotakis, father of Dora Bakoyannis, is thrown like a rag from his party. Specifically, why now and why this step is solved exactly Greek extreme chauvinist and militant Antonis Samaras, who in 1991 was his best collaborator. Takis Mihas is the author of glossy analysis "evil alliance" which speaks of the official vpletkanosta Greece in the wars waged on the territory of former Yugoslavia. It has a great deal of evidence that leads to the conclusion that Greek politicians from right and left actually had a goal through new Balkan wars to get to the final rearrangement of the Balkans. Macedonia, understandably, had a central place in this zameshatelstvo of a country is an EU and NATO. Our dilemma is not whether, but who in Brussels, as why he tolerated and carry out the Greek policy in the Balkans, which we have serious implications.

    Mihas says "no exaggeration to say that Greek foreign policy in the first half of the nineties of the last century, dealt only with Macedonia“. Apparently the argument that performed in front of their partners was turned towards the use of symbols, the flag's history and the name of the state. It claimed that Greece would be a good neighbor and good friend and partner "only" if made "new state" to give up grabbing what's Greek heritage.

    "However, the truth is more complicated. There is a growing pile of evidence that suggest the conclusion that the influential political forces in Greece in the early 1990s looked to their Macedonian neighbors much more than change the name. The real target of any instances destabilization and disappearance of the young state", said Mihas.

    Checking Greek official documents he found that "Greek politicians insisted the name change, although they were aware that it means giving up the most important symbol of the collective identity of the majority population and as such, the request could not be met by Macedonian politicians. This was highlighted in the report Nikos Muzelis, a professor at the London School of Economics. "I wonder what kind of dialogue has the Greek side in mind when refusing to negotiate on the central question (name)".

    Unsustainable state

    So why then was lifted one red line and obstruct Macedonia today?

    "Pointing to the Greek request actually seeks to prevent any possibility of Greece ever to recognize the Republic of Macedonia", claimed Greek member of the EU parliament, Pavlos Sarlis.


    And after two decades Greece has the same tactics: Mitsotakis

    In essence, it involved a tactic which should lead to the disintegration of the state of Macedonia so that paves the way for foreign intervention that will not accept any responsibility. Mihas cites two crucial documents in support of this conclusion. The first is a letter that President Constantine Karamanlis on February 26, 1992 shall send to the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Greece, of whom seek to emphasize the argument that nepostojnata Greek Macedonian state was "untenable". What that means is doomed to fall apart or disappear. A second is the letter that Samaras in his capacity as Minister of Foreign Affairs of 27 August 1991 he headed to his EU colleagues in saying: "The careful observer can easily see that an independent Macedonian state is teshkoodrzhliva. Economic, landlocked, there is no material basis for survival, ethnicity, with more than one-third ethnic Albanian population and even more, the ethnic origin of its Slavic population is the cause of misunderstandings. They are currently named as "Macedonians" but Bulgarians and to a lesser extent the Serbs, declared that they are theirs. " These "arguments" of Samaras were apparently accepted by his European counterparts, as testified by the Lisbon Declaration of 1992, the London Conference on Yugoslavia, the EU's refusal to accept the conclusions of the Badinter Commission for Macedonia, the transfer of the name issue as the UN Security question, tolerating the Greek embargoes and blockades, including the veto, and now we find out even before zamizhuvanje gusts of destabilization of Macedonia, sponsored by Greece. What we have to disturb us is the fact that the Greek policy is "neutral pilgrims" in Macedonia, who today claim that if you join NATO, Macedonia will fall apart, that if we do not join NATO's next summit, Macedonia stanela international protectorate, the Albanians to secede and so on.
    The author of the analysis is these two documents are background for the thesis that a member of NATO and the EU actually worked on creating a blank position for foreign intervention against Macedonia. When the state is untenable, if doomed, then external intervention but does not destabilize accelerate the process of cultural and historical default stabilization. In other words, he says "foreign intervention on the untenable state would rather be seen as an act of assistance in suicide rather than as an unlawful killing."

    Cantons and stages

    Encouraged by indifferent or even hostile to the EU regarding the Macedonian independence (apart from Slovenia and Croatia), Greek politicians preshle the second phase. They began to elaborate the plan of Mitsotakis and Samaras have suggested Slobodan Milosevic. It is cantonization and division of the Macedonian state provizorium a map drawn that the Greek-Serbian cartographers with the assistance of the other two Macedonian neighbors. Watching it, you can easily discover the roots of the case "militia" from 1993 and a referendum for "Ilirida. You will find the way to the POA and Vraniškovski Ali Ahmeti "liberation of Skopje and Tetovo. You'll see Grupchin and ideas, exchange of populations and territories, the constant problematiziranje or denial of Macedonian identity politicians in Macedonia and Bulgaria fingers in Strumica and Greek in monastirskiot "Canton. Particularly interesting is the coincidence of the mass auction with the number of ethnic groups in the first half of the nineties with Greek kantonalen plan indicating agenturska thorough job in Macedonia.

    Parallel to this, Macedonia, which exits the international scene without bank in the state treasury, he welcomes unpublished Greek trade embargo, which was later made official. And this activity Brussels reacted. Rather, accepting the Greek arguments, and in light of its historical continuity on the Macedonian issue, requires Macedonia to be renamed. This was later confirmed Lord Owen, who thought that the Greek embargo and sanctions must implement the FRY, Macedonia will fail for only three months. One responded nor the UN nor the Security Council, because even in this year's performance of Ivanov at the UN session, which the world discovered the difficulties they passed through the country because of Greek politics, many representatives of countries ischuduvale I never heard a word the Macedonian hell. That, as well as recognition by Syria, forced Papandreou to return to New York to amortized damage. It is particularly intriguing in the glancanjeto izvalkanata Greek image most active in this case were Macedonian "experts" who disdained the appearance and the head of state of Macedonia and the recognition by Syria.

    Greek Visa

    Is Greece renounced its intention to fell Macedonia? Apparently not. Remains in force Greek defense strategy for entry into Macedonia in 37 km depth in the case of destabilization that time was announced while they washed Grilakis danajski gifts of our leaders. The closest to such an opportunity we were in 2001. Interestingly, it has developed great familiarity between Ahmeti and Dora Bakoyannis. On the side of the UCK fought and guys like Koljo Diamond. Bulgaria offered to us free, and Greece across open borders mass escape of Halkidiki. The officer then in charge of public relations at the Greek embassy in Macedonia, deride that as many applicants for Greek visas Allegedly, once Macedonians, had seen the Balkan wars. Only those who fled to Greece were not Bare handed people, but representatives of the Macedonian elite. Random coincidence or whatever it is strange that "refugees" are the same people at once, from 2008 until today, most openly advocating the Greek political doctrine associated with Macedonia. Many will be in this context to guess (and it will soon happen in the deconstruction of the Greek myth) that is the true creator and that the campaign paid for "antiquization" that doing in Macedonia various activists, NGOs, experts, parties and media Euro-Atlantic trade inclinations.

    Cataclysm

    In a memorandum to the Greek Foreign Ministry stated that "the proclamation of independence by Macedonia kataklizmichki has consequences for the Balkans. Bulgaria has already announced that it would recognize an independent Macedonian state, in the expectation that residents are now re-named as Macedonians will reveal their Bulgarian roots. Any Bulgarian initiative in this field will cause stiff response not only from die-hard (Die hard) slavomakedonski nationalists but also by the Serbs".

    Pliers of Samaras


    In 1992 Antonis Samaras introduced Greek-Serbian plan to destabilize Macedonia. The plan called Samarasova pliers "had two strategic moves. The first was economic pressure by introducing a trade embargo that was to cause social unrest, and the second was military pressure by the then JNA still present on the territory of Macedonia.

    The embargo was then made official and request instructions by the prefect of Thessaloniki, Evangelos Caitidis, Samaras by letter dated 3rd March 1992 says: "Here you give clear written instructions to download and proceed with all available means to perform economic pressure over Skopje. Considering the initiatives of the EU, our ministry was deemed not good now officially closed the border".

    The embargo would upset MACEDONIA


    On March 17, 1992 Samaras wrote to his prime minister Mitsotakis: "It is clear that the embargo will enhance the reactions of people in Skopje to their government and it will multiply the phenomenon of mass demonstrations that will be organized throughout the country against their position nekompromisnata government ".

    And after twenty years the Greek government has the same tactics to Macedonia. INTERNAL still waiting to destabilize. In other words, everything is the same, just "him" and they have, but as to none.

    Population without DNA

    "By insisting on Greek policy to place Macedonia in the company of BiH and Kosovo, not only constructed the framework for foreign intervention but prescribe and precisely who should intervene. According to Greek diplomacy, these three regions represent a population that will never have the blessing of statehood nations due to absence of social DNA".

    PRODUCTION OF GREEKS IN MACEDONIA

    Soon after the meeting with Milosevic Samaras, the Greek government comes out with "data" that in Macedonia there is a large ethnic Greek minority is oppressed. Secret intelligence report of May 10, 1991, which allegedly protekol to the media, says that "239,360 Greeks living in Macedonia. These are people with pure Greek national consciousness, which themselves are considered members of the Greek race, and not enjoying minority rights. " The Greek government officially adopted policies to protect the Greek minority. On 2 November the same year, Deputy Minister Virginija Cuderu announces that 150,000 live in Macedonia pure power with Greek consciousness.

    GREECE AND SERBIA WILL LIMIT

    Immediately after meeting Milosevic - Samaras in Belgrade, where Serbian head of the dinner guest of his showed him the map of the Balkans with the words: "Look here, at the center of FYROM and especially in Tetovo and the surrounding areas guveat over 150,000 Serbs, not 40,000 if you publish census. "Do you think that at some point they would be moved to another location? Asked Samaras. "I will arise. And not only they but also thousands of other Serbs living in the north, goes south to Skopje, the Greek border. Serbia and Greece will have a common border, "replied Milosevic.

    What I noticed is that Samaras analyst not only rejected the idea, but he took to transfer and elaborate on the Greek prime minister.

    Author: Mirko Velinovska
  • julie
    Senior Member
    • May 2009
    • 3869

    #2
    waiting for great social unrest, caused by shiptarite, and will pounce. I have always said the writing is on the wall if Macedonians don't unite and STOP negotiations.
    I still cannot understand the Macedonian logic of Ali baba the Albanian in government in RoM
    "The moral revolution - the revolution of the mind, heart and soul of an enslaved people, is our greatest task."__________________Gotse Delchev

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    • fyrOM
      Banned
      • Feb 2010
      • 2180

      #3
      In their wet dreams.
      Yorgo says Look Yani I had a wet dream in my souvlaki.
      Yani says Yeah did you have the same dream as me with us doing yummys with the Serbs.
      Ahh…if it just could have happened. We would have done this and that and some more to them fyroms.

      Can you imagine the phone calls that went on around the world when Macedonian left Yugoslavia. The local players have never been the only participants in the game over Macedonia they only have been the front line actors. Think about the military difference between Greece and Macedonia at that time. Would it have been an even mach. Ofcourse not so why didn’t Greece just invade at the time and be done with it,

      Its merely a wet dream if the obstacles were not in their place what the could have done and more so what they wanted to do. That’s all. Reality…not even close.

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      • Onur
        Senior Member
        • Apr 2010
        • 2389

        #4
        Originally posted by OziMak View Post
        In their wet dreams.
        Yeah

        Every year, Greeks are doing a military practices and they are performing a plan to invade northern Cyprus and Turkey. We just laugh at them, i recommend you to do the same

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        • Makedonetz
          Senior Member
          • Apr 2010
          • 1080

          #5
          The greeks talk smack in the past because they had allies hidden up their fustanella's. Now i think they are too chicken shit to start smack. Onur i laugh at them in cyprus thinking they can intimidate you guys. Those stupid cyprus greek facist tried and where did it get them. i remember watching a MK tv show once here in Canada and they showed a greek tried to climb the barracades and get over to turkish side but they shot him down after numerous attempts to get through to this guy, you remember hearing about that Onur they had NATO come in aswell.
          Makedoncite se borat
          za svoite pravdini!

          "The one who works for joining of Macedonia to Bulgaria,Greece or Serbia can consider himself as a good Bulgarian, Greek or Serb, but not a good Macedonian"
          - Goce Delchev

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          • Homer MakeDonski
            Member
            • Jan 2010
            • 103

            #6
            Onur
            When I am dismissing theirs arguments all around the net, I have a fun as well.

            Here at the present
            Last edited by Homer MakeDonski; 10-23-2010, 12:42 PM.

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            • Frank
              Banned
              • Mar 2010
              • 687

              #7
              Every year, Greeks are doing a military practices and they are performing a plan to invade northern Cyprus and Turkey. We just laugh at them, i recommend you to do the same
              Isn't the Greek Military (Air and Sea) the most under performing outfit in NATO they have a history of logistic disasters regardless of the millions of dollars in Military Gear at their disposal
              Last edited by Frank; 10-23-2010, 09:22 PM.

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              • Bij
                Member
                • Oct 2009
                • 905

                #8
                lol@aldi plastic bag

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                • Onur
                  Senior Member
                  • Apr 2010
                  • 2389

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Frank View Post
                  Isn't the Greek Military (Air and Sea) the most under performing outfit in NATO they have a history of logistic disasters regardless of the millions of dollars in Military Gear at their disposal

                  I don't know but they should be better than Albania, Bulgaria, Estonia and such since Athens spends about %5-7 of their total GDP to their military every year. This is one of highest in the world.

                  They have a policy like "if Turkey buys something to her army, Greece buys too". I don't know if they can still continue this stupid policy to compete with Turkey.

                  Nevertheless, it was stupid for Greece to try to compete with 2nd biggest military force in NATO after USA. This also caused their economical downfall as their politicians admitted. Now they cant even buy petrol to fill their tanks and jets in the army. Idiots.

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                  • Soldier of Macedon
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 13670

                    #10
                    Onur, just for the record, how much of their total GDP does Turkey spend on the military each year?
                    In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                    • Phoenix
                      Senior Member
                      • Dec 2008
                      • 4671

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View Post
                      Onur, just for the record, how much of their total GDP does Turkey spend on the military each year?
                      Grk military expenditure as a percentage of GDP usually tracks in the range of 3.5% to 5%, to put that in some sort of perspective, most countries spend within the 1% to 2.5% range...Turkish figures are about the same as the grk ones but as the Turkish GDP grows and the grk figure declines, the Turks will be literally getting more 'bang' for their buck...pushing the grk into ever growing debt
                      Last edited by Phoenix; 10-24-2010, 10:48 PM.

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                      • Prolet
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2009
                        • 5241

                        #12
                        Good point Phoenix

                        Im actually happy that Gruevski cut the defense budget by 1% of our total GSP and spent the money elsewhere especially in crucial moments in the Global Recession. Nato requires each member to provide 3% of GDP to Defense spending aswell as pay millions of dollars in membership fees, so if we are not in Nato why should we spend so much when we can spend it on something else? We are involved in Nato missions which means our army is modernized mainly by the American,Turkish and German Armies.
                        МАКЕДОНЕЦ си кога кавал ќе ти ја распара душата,зурла ќе ти го раскине срцето,кога секое влакно од кожата ќе ти се наежи кога ќе видиш шеснаесеткрако сонце,кога до коска ќе те заболи кога ќе слушнеш ПЈРМ,кога немаш ни за леб,а полн си во душата затоа што ја сакаш МАКЕДОНИЈА. МАКЕДОНИЈА во срце те носиме.

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                        • PetarMKD
                          Junior Member
                          • Aug 2010
                          • 30

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Prolet View Post
                          Good point Phoenix

                          Im actually happy that Gruevski cut the defense budget by 1% of our total GSP and spent the money elsewhere especially in crucial moments in the Global Recession. Nato requires each member to provide 3% of GDP to Defense spending aswell as pay millions of dollars in membership fees, so if we are not in Nato why should we spend so much when we can spend it on something else? We are involved in Nato missions which means our army is modernized mainly by the American,Turkish and German Armies.
                          The only positive thing I see about the participation of our soldiers in NATO missions is the training and experience they will gain from it, so when some idiots decide that it is a clever idea to invade Macedonia we will have well prepared soldiers. Unfortunately for us it is never an even fight and the odds are always against us (and that is hardly likely to change in the future since we never found our bigger brother), but we always survive and persevere no matter what, even such childish scenarios made by the most civilized country in the world - Hell ass.
                          Last edited by PetarMKD; 10-25-2010, 12:17 AM.

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                          • Onur
                            Senior Member
                            • Apr 2010
                            • 2389

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Phoenix View Post
                            Grk military expenditure as a percentage of GDP usually tracks in the range of 3.5% to 5%, to put that in some sort of perspective, most countries spend within the 1% to 2.5% range...Turkish figures are about the same as the grk ones but as the Turkish GDP grows and the grk figure declines, the Turks will be literally getting more 'bang' for their buck...pushing the grk into ever growing debt

                            Nope, Turkey`s military expenses was always lower than Greece according to GDP value but like i said Greece had a policy like "if Turkey buys something, Greece buys too".

                            So, for example if Turkey spends about ~20-25 billion to her army every year, Greece was spending 15-20 billion to hers but the thing is, 25 billion equals no more than 3-4% of our total GDP but 20 billion equaled %5-6 of Greece`s total GDP cuz Greece`s GDP was about half of Turkey, about same as only Istanbul. So, idiots gone bankrupt while trying to compete with us.
                            Last edited by Onur; 10-25-2010, 11:26 AM.

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                            • Phoenix
                              Senior Member
                              • Dec 2008
                              • 4671

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Onur View Post
                              Nope, Turkey`s military expenses was always lower than Greece according to GDP value but like i said Greece had a policy like "if Turkey buys something, Greece buys too".

                              So, for example if Turkey spends about ~20-25 billion to her army every year, Greece was spending 15-20 billion to hers but the problem is, 25 billion equals no more than 2.5-3% of our total GDP but 20 billion equaled %5-6 of Greece`s total GDP cuz Greece`s GDP was about half of Turkey, about same as only Istanbul. So, idiots gone bankrupt while trying to compete with us.
                              Onur, you might find this interesting...

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