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Old 12-21-2008, 06:24 PM   #11
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I have something interesting to reveal later with regard to that flag and design.....

TerraNova, take Slovak's advice.
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Old 12-21-2008, 07:05 PM   #12
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ok Marko was Macedonian.
Macedonian.
Macedonian.
Macedonian.
Macedonian.

He WAS not SERBIAN.

Ps -the level of this forum is that SHITTY Daskale ?? You r a mod-do you like that?
Is anybody who contests all of the weird theories exposed free to express his doubt or not?
What do you think a neutral observer would think about ethnic Macedonians if he walked in this forum?
He would see ppl acting like Monkeys ,every now and then someone dares to dispute their controversial theories .
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Old 12-21-2008, 07:19 PM   #13
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ok Marko was Macedonian.
Macedonian.
Macedonian.
Macedonian.
Macedonian.

He WAS not SERBIAN.

Ps -the level of this forum is that SHITTY Daskale ?? You r a mod-do you like that?
Is anybody who contests all of the weird theories exposed free to express his doubt or not?
What do you think a neutral observer would think about ethnic Macedonians if he walked in this forum?
He would see ppl acting like Monkeys ,every now and then someone dares to dispute their controversial theories .
Sir, the level of this forum is light years from any Greek forum on the same topic, there Macedonians do not even get to post anything in contradiction to what the Greek national agenda is.
So are you a Monkey? Given that you address the word with a Capital letter?
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Old 12-21-2008, 07:33 PM   #14
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ok Marko was Macedonian.
Macedonian.
Macedonian.
Macedonian.
Macedonian.

He WAS not SERBIAN.

Ps -the level of this forum is that SHITTY Daskale ?? You r a mod-do you like that?
Is anybody who contests all of the weird theories exposed free to express his doubt or not?
What do you think a neutral observer would think about ethnic Macedonians if he walked in this forum?
He would see ppl acting like Monkeys ,every now and then someone dares to dispute their controversial theories .
What are you blabbering about, we are talking about a Slav-speaking king who was,

Born in Macedonia, not Serbia
Had his state in Macedonia, not Serbia
His citizens were from Macedonia, not Serbia
Ruled from Macedonia, not Serbia
Was supported by cultural organs from Macedonia, not Serbia.

Any neutral reader would think these facts would provoke enough thought to delve a little more into the subject, but these are normal people we speak of, and not monkeys like yourself.
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Old 12-22-2008, 05:49 AM   #15
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Krale Marco..as a historical person was a Serbian noble without a question.
Descended from the Mrnjavcevic ,Serrbian noble family.

His family coat of arms.
White Eagle (like the white Eagle(double headed of Serbia) and the 4 C ,with the cross .(the other Serbian emblem)

On the other hand as a mythological ,epic figure he also belongs to the Bulgarians and Macedonians.
Thanks for the Wiki quote, and that's about all you'll have compared to the chronological version explained at the beginning of the thread. Can you show me what source is used to determine that the flag displayed is the same one carried by the family of King Marko? I would like to see it.

Assuming it is authentic, firstly, the white eagle seems to have one head and not the two, and despite that, the two-headed eagle is the symbol of East Rome and Orthodox Christianity, not Serbian, Greek or Russian. During the period of Slavic kingdoms in the Medieval Balkans the coat of arms and insignia became quite popular, and much of it was based on the spiritual capital of Orthodoxy and other Christian and East Roman traditions. The four CCCC symbol, again, is not a Serbian symbol by origin, nor does it descend from anything that is "ethnic Greek", it is another symbol of East Rome, recorded in that form as early as the 13th century as the Insignia of the Macedonian city of Salonika, in the 'Lord Marshal's Rolls'. Note that the Serbian slogan did not allegedly appear until the 14th century.

http://perso.modulonet.fr/briantimms...0of%20arms.htm

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Lord Marshal's Roll (LM)
Society of Antiquaries, London, ms664, vol 1, ff 19-25.
Dated 1295.The roll contains 565 painted shields, 42 of which are blank, and 48 have no name.
A persistent error in the roll is the painting of argent instead of or, and many other coats are difficult to decipher. This roll should not be used as a source of definitive coats of arms.
Source: Gerard J Brault, Rolls of Arms of Edward I, Boydell & Brewer, 1997.
Check the following for Salonika:


Notice that the colours are also displayed the same in both the Marko and Salonika Insignia, a red cross on a white background. In contrast, the Serbian Insignia traditionally has a white cross on a red background, as the below example, which is also from the 13th century 'Lord Marshal's Rolls':


This is not an "ethnic Serbian" symbol by origin, it is a Christian East Roman symbol, most likely inspired by the following Insignia from the ruler of Constantinople, again, recorded in the 13th century in the 'Lord Marshal's Rolls':


Whatever the case may be, it will never be a simple lie the way you would like it to be, the truth is always more complicated and therefore requires and deserves the research and respect. I will say to you again, with regard to Marko:
  • Born in Macedonia, not Serbia
  • Had his state in Macedonia, not Serbia
  • His citizens were from Macedonia, not Serbia
  • Ruled from Macedonia, not Serbia
  • Was supported by cultural organs from Macedonia, not Serbia.



Now, if we are done talking about flags and symbols, would you care to explain why in the churches of Macedonia (and everywhere else as far as I am aware) wherever there is a fresco of King Marko of Prilep he is, as a rule, only ever pictured with a traditional saint and figure of the Macedonian Church such as Saint Clement of Ohrid, rather than with St Sava and the other Serbian saints, as all of the Serbian rulers are?
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Old 12-22-2008, 07:07 AM   #16
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fascinating stuff, well compiled SoM.
can you please advise whether there is any literature by macedonian authors that focuses on the eastern roman/byzantine period and is a worthwhile read?
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fascinating stuff, well compiled SoM.
can you please advise whether there is any literature by macedonian authors that focuses on the eastern roman/byzantine period and is a worthwhile read?
cheers.
Hey Sydney, I am not sure of any Macedonian authors that focused on that subject from the top of my head but if I come across something I will let you know. What information were you seeking about the East Roman period, we could probably assist a little here?
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nothing specifically, perhaps a little curious to determine how it may differ from that which is presented by the 'other' side.
we are many years behind our balkan neighbours in the nation-building stakes, and have been presented with more hurdles along the way, but i imagine these same questions that we ask today are being asked by many, and i hope that we can forge our own research and (cohesive) understanding in the future.
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That's exactly what we intend to do here.
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That's exactly what we intend to do here.
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