Turkish forces liquidated 15 women PKK fighters

[Vangelovski]

Originally Posted by George S.

Tom you should keep an open mind as views etc change with the times.Someone said we aren't allies with turkey & we find that we are as macedonia is a sidnatory to a pact with turkey & yes they are allies.

George, treaties and pacts really don't mean much. I'll ask you again, if Macedonia and Turkey are such strong "allies", then why didn't Turkey provide any assistance to Macedonia during 2001? I would not class Turkey as anything more than a trading partner with fairly ordinary relations (relative to international standards) in other spheres.

Originally Posted by George S.

Also freedom represents the recognition that we receive from the collective countries who are likeminded.

I don't understand what you mean here - can you clarify?

[George S.]

i think we better let onur answer your question on allies as to why turkey doesn't get involved in the 2001war.
freedom represents the like mindedness of all the others who share our goals & ideals.It is in stark contrast to countries in totalirian & dictatorships,repression/opression regimes etc.You know tom rtg me and onur about 6.30 am in the morning we got into a discussion whislst it was morning & i was having cup of coffe it dawned on me that we are either an allie or we aint.it turned out that we were.But the $64 dollar question is whether our allie turkey will come to our aid militarily coupled with if it involved the albanians.Would it simply broker for a piece deal or help macedonia. out???We are trying to find that out from onur because that is the crux of the allie deal.Whether they are for real or not.If you can get up that early why not join us ion our merry discussion.

[Vangelovski]

Originally Posted by George S.

i think we better let onur answer your question on allies as to why turkey doesn't get involved in the wars.
freedom represents the like mindedness of all the others who share our goals & ideals.It is in stark contrast to countries in totalirian 7 dictatorships,repression/opression regimes etc.

I still can't understand what you are trying to say about freedom and how it relates to the topic at hand.

George, I'm interested to know what you think about Turkey not assisting Macedonia in 2001. You were claiming that Turkey would help Macedonia in time of war and obviously it has not. This is one of the reasons you gave as to why we should ignore Turkey's violation of the Kurds' inalienable rights.

[George S.]

Well tom onur might be able to answer that if he can.

[Vangelovski]

Originally Posted by George S.

Well tom onur might be able to answer that if he can.

George, like I said, I'm interested in YOUR views on this as it was YOU who made the claims.

[George S.]

MY answer would be that if invited & turkey is an allie it should help us if we are fighting
albanians or greeks for that matter.Also we are small & virtually insignifican't we should do the same.But i'd rather ask onur as he knows a lot & he could filling the gaps.My amswer is to the ideal world.We'll let opnur fill in the gaps.My views might be different as the next person.

[George S.]

tom i forgot to ask you what do you think should turkey come to macedonia's aid in a war.Why not?

[Vangelovski]

Originally Posted by George S.

tom i forgot to ask you what do you think should turkey come to macedonia's aid in a war.Why not?

First of all, I'd like Macedonians to actually defend Macedonia. If any others want to provide assistance, then their welcome to. But Turkey, has NEVER, provided assistance to Macedonia in time of war and I'm not convinced that it ever will.

[George S.]

i would like to see what documents there are about what macedonia has signed.Like you say that turkey has never come to macedonia's aid.I would rather fight our own battles.I'd be intersted in seeing what signatory has macedonia has signed.Tried looking it up nothing.As you say
we don't mind a bit of assistance but what happens in the scenario where we are fighting the albanians or kosovo.Would Turkey help in the fighting then agains't their muslem brothers.
Also i remember reading this is i think at the time of the break up of the yugoslavia.In one article the turks were wanting to build a railway right up & through Macedonia ultimately to transport men & military equipment (tanks)for turkey to help fight in the Bosnian war(to help their muslim brothers)..