The history and role of Cyprus in the Greek state

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  • tchaiku
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    • Nov 2016
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    #31
    Cretans are, probably, 70% to 80% ancient Greeks.
    Last edited by tchaiku; 07-26-2018, 03:43 PM.

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    • Carlin
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      • Dec 2011
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      #32
      Originally posted by tchaiku View Post
      Cretans are, probably, 70% to 80% ancient Greeks.
      Perhaps.... Probable...

      In his Histories, the Ancient Roman historian Tacitus reported a belief, popular in antiquity, regarding Mount Ida and the origin of the Jews, complete with conjectural etymology:

      "It is said that the Jews were originally exiles from the island of Crete who settled in the farthest parts of Libya at the time when Saturn had been deposed and expelled by Jove. An argument in favour of this is derived from the name: there is a famous mountain in Crete called Ida, and hence the inhabitants were called the Idaei, which was later lengthened into the barbarous form Iudaei." (Book V:2)

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      • Om3n
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        • Feb 2009
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        #33
        It's hard to tell who Tacitus was referring due to the intricacies of the development of the term "Jew" (which I doubt he was aware of). In his time, it was a regional appellation and he probably meant the people that inhabited this region. The Hebrews saw themselves as belonging to different tribes whose progenitors were the sons of Jacob (called Israel) and which settled in their respective areas in the land of Canaan. Jews/Judaism as a broadly religious term didn't exist until after the 3rd century when the Babylonian Talmud began to be codified, and thus, it now refers to people who are followers of Talmudism/Kabbalism/post-Christian Rabbinism since they cannot prove their lineage from the Tribe of Judah. For instance, Jesus was a Jew by virtue of his descent from the Tribe of Judah and his birth in Bethlehem but he was from Galilee not Judea.
        Last edited by Om3n; 07-27-2018, 06:17 AM.

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        • tchaiku
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          #34
          Originally posted by Carlin15 View Post
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          [COLOR="Blue"]- "Martin Kruzius, (1526-1607), an author who was well familiar with Greek, states that the following 5 languages were spoken in Cyprus: Greek, Chaldean, Armenian, Albanian and Italian. Another writer, who lived in 1537-1590, Stephen Lusignan, says that the following 12 languages were spoken in Cyprus, during his day: Latin, Italian, Greek, Armenian, Coptic, Jacobine, Maronine, Assyrian, Indian, Georgian, Albanian and Arabian. [/url]
          What % do you think it was speaking natively Greek in 16th century? (in Cyprus)

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          • Carlin
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            • Dec 2011
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            #35
            Originally posted by tchaiku View Post
            What % do you think it was speaking natively Greek in 16th century? (in Cyprus)
            Hard to know.

            Back to Crete:

            "The fertile soil of the plateau, due to alluvial run-off from melting snow, has attracted inhabitants since Neolithic times (6000 BC). Minoans and Dorians followed and the plateau has been continuously inhabited since then, except a period that started in 1293 and lasted for over two centuries during the Venetian occupation of Crete. During that time and due to frequent rebellions and strong resistance, villages were demolished, cultivation prohibited, and natives were forced to leave and forbidden to return under a penalty of death. A Venetian manuscript of the thirteenth century describes the troublesome plateau of Lasithi as spina nel cuore (di Venezia) - a thorn in the heart of Venice. Later, in the early 15th century, Venetian rulers allowed refugees from the Greek mainland (eastern Peloponnese) to settle in the plain and cultivate the land again."

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            • Carlin
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              • Dec 2011
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              #36
              "As a result of the Turkish invasion, the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe stated that the demographic structure of the island has been continuously modified as a result of the deliberate policies of the Turks. Following the occupation of Northern Cyprus, civilian settlers from Turkey began arriving on the island. Despite the lack of consensus on the exact figures, all parties concerned admitted that Turkish nationals began arriving in the northern part of the island in 1975. It was suggested that over 120,000 settlers came to Cyprus from mainland Turkey."


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              • Liberator of Makedonija
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                • Apr 2014
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                #37
                Originally posted by Carlin15 View Post
                "As a result of the Turkish invasion, the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe stated that the demographic structure of the island has been continuously modified as a result of the deliberate policies of the Turks. Following the occupation of Northern Cyprus, civilian settlers from Turkey began arriving on the island. Despite the lack of consensus on the exact figures, all parties concerned admitted that Turkish nationals began arriving in the northern part of the island in 1975. It was suggested that over 120,000 settlers came to Cyprus from mainland Turkey."


                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkis...orthern_Cyprus
                Because Turkey are the only ones responsible for that
                I know of two tragic histories in the world- that of Ireland, and that of Macedonia. Both of them have been deprived and tormented.

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                • Carlin
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                  • Dec 2011
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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Liberator of Makedonija View Post
                  Because Turkey are the only ones responsible for that
                  I don't want to get into that discussion. This 'simply' demonstrates the fact how quickly the ethnic 'map' of any given region can change/be altered in a short period of time. Turkish forces occupied almost 40% of Cyprus in about a month and, as far as I know, proceeded to completely wipe out the Greek element from the northern portion of the island.



                  Now, this happened relatively recently. Think what might have happened in more distant past, when detailed info/data is scarce or missing for most conflicts/wars.

                  User "Principe" posted the following here regarding Paphos, Cyprus:


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                  "Just want to add because Paphos has been mentioned, I looked at all the cities, towns and villages on Wikipedia to see what I can find, majority of Paphos was already inhabited since neolithic times and had towns during the Bronze Age, there is contacts with the Near East too, the Cult of Aphrodite was idolized there and is very likely Syrian in origin so there's the link with the Levant, also a coastal village was important to the New Kingdom Egyptians. In terms of Greek we have one Mycenaean colony and many links with Corinth, Achaea and Arcadia. There was also an Armenian and Georgian village along with 2 Venetian and 2 Lusignan villages."


                  Roman conquest of Crete

                  Marcus Antonius Creticus attacked Crete in 71 BC and was repelled. In 66 BC Rome then commissioned Quintus Caecilius Metellus and following a ferocious three-year campaign Crete was conquered for Rome in 69 BC, Metellus earning the agnomen "Creticus" as an honour for his conquest and subjugation of Crete.

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                  Many peoples throughout history have fought pirates, writes Alfred Bradford in Flying the Black Flag. Some have lost and some have won. We should learn from their experience. From Odysseus—the original pirate of literature and lore—through Blackbeard and the feared pirates of the Spanish Main, his book reveals the strategies and methods pirates used to cheat, lie, kill, and rob their way into the historical record, wreaking terror in their bloody wakes.The story begins with a discussion of Piracy and the Suppression of Piracy in the Ancient World. It details, for example, how the Illyrians used pirate vessels to try to wrest control of the Adriatic Coast from the mighty Romans, as well as how the intrepid Vikings went from pirate raids to the conquest of parts of Western Europe.Moving into the 17th century and to the New World, Bradford depicts the golden age of the pirates. Here are the Spanish Buccaneers and the fabled Caribbean stronghold of Tortuga. Here are Henry Morgan, Captain Kidd, and their fearsome counterparts. But piracy was hardly just a Western phenomenon. The Barbary Pirates looks East to examine the struggle between Christian and Muslim in the Mediterranean, while To the Shores of Tripoli details the American conflict with the Barbary Pirates. It reveals the lessons of a war conducted across a great distance against a nebulous enemy, a war in which victory was achieved only by going after the pirates' sponsor. On the South China Coast, we meet the first Dragon Lady, leader of Chinese pirates.As intriguing as these tales of the past are in and of themselves, the stories and their swashbuckling villains hold lessons for us even today. In Conclusions and Reflections, Bradford gathers all of the chords together, discussing the conditions under which piracy arises, the conditions under which pirates organize and become more powerful, and the methods used to suppress piracy. Finally, he examines similarities between pirates and terrorists—and whether the lessons learned from the wars against pirates of the past might also apply to modern day terrorists.






                  In 36 BC a colony of Campanians was settled at Knossos, Crete by Octavian. (Were there other colonies?)

                  "Professor Willetts presents the first complete picture of the civilization of Ancient Crete - one which gives full weight to its origins as well as to its post-Minoan development. He shows the important influences from the neighbouring regions of Mesopotamia and Egypt, and examines the island's development from the arrival of the Neolithic farmers during the early Bronze Age, through the spectacular Minoan civilization of the Bronze Age, down to the Dorian aristocracy of the Iron Age which ended in the Roman Conquest of the first century B.C."--BOOK JACKET.
                  Last edited by Carlin; 08-29-2018, 11:04 PM.

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                  • Amphipolis
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                    • Aug 2014
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                    #39
                    Ethnicities that appear in Cyprus in various percentages by my-heritage-DNA.

                    The most common ethnicities in each country - Learn about distribution of ethnicities such as North and West European, Scandinavian or Jewish in different countries and discover your origins with MyHeritage DNA!

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                    • tchaiku
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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Amphipolis View Post
                      Ethnicities that appear in Cyprus in various percentages by my-heritage-DNA.

                      https://www.myheritage.com/ethniciti...y-distribution
                      Bulgarian are 73% ''GREEK''.
                      The most common ethnicities in each country - Learn about distribution of ethnicities such as North and West European, Scandinavian or Jewish in different countries and discover your origins with MyHeritage DNA!

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                      • Amphipolis
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                        • Aug 2014
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                        #41
                        Originally posted by tchaiku View Post
                        Actually that says 73% has some Greek in them. By the way, where is the famous Tatar element? I can only see 2% Central Asian.

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                        • tchaiku
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                          #42
                          Originally posted by Amphipolis View Post
                          Actually that says 73% has some Greek in them. By the way, where is the famous Tatar element? I can only see 2% Central Asian.
                          I know that I have said it before but Greekness has a different definition in MyAncestry.

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                          • Amphipolis
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                            • Aug 2014
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                            #43
                            Originally posted by tchaiku View Post
                            I know that I have said it before but Greekness has a different definition in MyAncestry.
                            Really? Like what?

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                            • Carlin
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                              • Dec 2011
                              • 3332

                              #45
                              ANGLO-AMERICAN ACTION PLAN for Cyprus, dated June 6, 1964.

                              C. We should seek, therefore, a fundamental solution on the basis of Enosis with Greece which could be made more acceptable to Turkey by including territorial and other compensations.

                              D. Territorial compensations to Turkey might include: the Islands of Kastelorison, Samos, Chios, Kos or a piece of Greek Thrace immediately adjacent to Turkish Thrace. (Other possible territorial compensation should not be excluded. The objective should be to get the Greek and Turkish governments to enter into realistic bargaining).



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