Greek Authorities Try to Create Tensions among Macedonians

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  • Mactruth
    Junior Member
    • Dec 2010
    • 91

    Greek Authorities Try to Create Tensions among Macedonians

    Something you won't see in the ICG




    August 15th, ethnic Macedonians were celebrating the 'Assumption of Mary' a religious holiday celebrated for decades in most of Aegean Macedonia.

    Greek authorities employed tactics already seen in Ovcarani 20 years ago when it volunteered to organize a Macedonian celebration in Nered, an ethnic Macedonian village populated exlusively by Macedonians 10km away from Lerin.
    The Greek authorities and police structures allowed bands (for the first time) to play and sing Macedonian songs. The goal of the Greek authorities was to create tensions among ethnic Macedonians and to ruin the celebration planned weeks ago at the local stadium, organized by Nered's Cultural Society.

    This way Nered had two Macedonian celebrations, one of course sponsored by the authorities at the city square. The two events caused tensions among Macedonians, with the ones going to the Stadium calling the others 'traitors' for going to the celebration organized by Greek authorities (free food?).


    "The celebration organized by the police and the authorities was at the square. They were singing Macedonian songs, however they were also forced to request Greek songs and Vlach songs. The idea was to portray this 'multi-ethnic' character of the area, even though only Macedonians live here", says a Macedonian who visited both celebrations.

    This has happened before. Years ago, Greek authorities paid pro-Greek Macedonians in Ovcarani to form a parallel cultural society to the one already in existence. There as well were parallel Macedonian celebrations, as the one organized in Nered. At the time pro Greek Macedonians were hired and placed in high positions at the Electric company. Greek authorities tasked these Macedonians to recruit the 'other' Macedonians by offering them employment.
    The same scenario is currently employed in Nered.
    Greece is using the good ol tactics of 'Divide and Conquer'. Perhaps Athens is trying to create their new Karamanlis, whose mother was ethnic Macedonian and father of Turkish heritage.
  • Onur
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2010
    • 2389

    #2
    This is no surprise cuz they are also doing similar manipulations in western Thrace, mostly orchestrated by the LAOS party. I already posted some messages about that here;

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    • Voltron
      Banned
      • Jan 2011
      • 1362

      #3
      As you sit here and bicker about free food or govt jobs, across the Aegean our Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew is just happy that he can preach a sermon at Panagia Soumela.

      Here is an article from a Turk. Read it, it might put some perspective on what to be grateful for and needless complaining.

      Here is paragraph from the article.

      The historical enemies of Patriarchate (including the spokesperson of the Turkish Orthodox Patriarchate, which was established with the funds of the Turkish deep state to fight non-Muslims in Turkey) are all in prison in connection with the Ergenekon case. Today the patriarchate may feel less and less threatened as a result.

      Last edited by Voltron; 08-18-2011, 08:58 AM.

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      • Onur
        Senior Member
        • Apr 2010
        • 2389

        #4
        Voltron, post something related to the subject, at least for once, ok?

        Whats the fcking relation with barthelemeow, Soumela and neo-islamist, pro-USA, AKP propaganda web site of Zaman with the thread subject of Macedonia and Thrace???

        imho, you deserve to be banned from this forum more than any other banned people b4 because you never ever write messages related to the thread subjects. You simply convert this forum to topix.com or youtube comments section but somehow or for some reason, admins doesn't see this.

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        • Voltron
          Banned
          • Jan 2011
          • 1362

          #5
          Your the one that derailed first with the Pomak tangent.
          Just giving food for thought for Mactruth (No pun intended)

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          • fatso
            Member
            • Sep 2008
            • 301

            #6
            Originally posted by Voltron View Post
            Your the one that derailed first with the Pomak tangent.
            Just giving food for thought for Mactruth (No pun intended)
            Onur always dances around the truth. He will never answer any serious questions posed to him.
            He just spews out accusations about Orthodox Mujahideen priests and how Bulagaria ,Serbia and Greece have ruined the Balkans.
            He has become a conversation piece on a Bulgarian forum..lol

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            • Zarni
              Banned
              • May 2011
              • 672

              #7
              Voltron I have never argued with you but on this occassion you can almighty fark off and defend in any way possible the intimidation by the Greek Sate of the ethnic Macedonians we are all waiting your response

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              • George S.
                Senior Member
                • Aug 2009
                • 10116

                #8
                zarni i agree with you that the greeks are trying to cause trouble for the macedonians.
                "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
                GOTSE DELCEV

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                • cultea
                  Banned
                  • Jul 2011
                  • 126

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Mactruth View Post
                  The Greek authorities and police structures allowed bands (for the first time) to play and sing Macedonian songs. The goal of the Greek authorities was to create tensions among ethnic Macedonians and to ruin the celebration planned weeks ago at the local stadium, organized by Nered's Cultural Society.
                  What kind of article is this? (the MINA kind).
                  Police does not organize festivities. The "Greek authorities" are the local council of the village, that is elected by its people, not some foreign entity and certainly not "Athens".
                  Yet, the best part comes at the end.
                  Originally posted by Mactruth View Post
                  Perhaps Athens is trying to create their new Karamanlis, whose mother was ethnic Macedonian and father of Turkish heritage.
                  Pardon? They were what?

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                  • makedonche
                    Senior Member
                    • Oct 2008
                    • 3242

                    #10
                    Cultea

                    Originally Posted by Mactruth
                    Perhaps Athens is trying to create their new Karamanlis, whose mother was ethnic Macedonian and father of Turkish heritage.

                    Pardon? They were what?
                    If you have evidence to the contrary for the above I suggest you post it here for all to see, if not I suggest you cease with the innnuendo.
                    On Delchev's sarcophagus you can read the following inscription: "We swear the future generations to bury these sacred bones in the capital of Independent Macedonia. August 1923 Illinden"

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                    • cultea
                      Banned
                      • Jul 2011
                      • 126

                      #11
                      Originally posted by makedonche View Post
                      If you have evidence to the contrary for the above I suggest you post it here for all to see, if not I suggest you cease with the innnuendo.


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                      • Onur
                        Senior Member
                        • Apr 2010
                        • 2389

                        #12
                        Originally posted by cultea View Post
                        What kind of article is this? (the MINA kind).
                        Police does not organize festivities. The "Greek authorities" are the local council of the village, that is elected by its people, not some foreign entity and certainly not "Athens".
                        Ohhh yes, Greece is some kind of federalist state and local authorities are "totally independent" from Athens and they don't follow the orders of Athens politics, they act all by themselves. And we all are dumb to believe this here!!! Duhh...

                        Click to the forum thread links i wrote above, about the Pomak community of Thrace and see how Athens organizes festivities for them by using the local authorities. They also create web sites, publish newspapers, magazines which contains false information to embed seeds of hate and divide the community in there.

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                        • George S.
                          Senior Member
                          • Aug 2009
                          • 10116

                          #13
                          They get them to do their festivities & say hey this is all greek.They let them do their thing
                          under the watchfull eye one wrong word or from those they allow will get a beating & abuse & ridicule.
                          "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
                          GOTSE DELCEV

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                          • cultea
                            Banned
                            • Jul 2011
                            • 126

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Onur View Post
                            Ohhh yes, Greece is some kind of federalist state and local authorities are "totally independent" from Athens and they don't follow the orders of Athens politics, they act all by themselves. And we all are dumb to believe this here!!! Duhh...

                            Click to the forum thread links i wrote above, about the Pomak community of Thrace and see how Athens organizes festivities for them by using the local authorities. They also create web sites, publish newspapers, magazines which contains false information to embed seeds of hate and divide the community in there.
                            Athens!?! Polypotamos is a nice village of 500 people. I imagine their local council is no more than 3 people (elected by them). They also belong to Florina Municipality and probably elect 1(?) person in the Council of Florina, and vote for other councelors from outside the village and for the Mayor of Florina. They also vote for the Peripheriarch of Western Macedonia. These are the local authorities (of various levels) and have nothing to do with Athens.
                            They also vote for the Parliamentary Elections. Their last vote was Socialists: 52%, New Democracy: 30%, Communists: 11%, Rest:8%. This is their vote that eventually forms the Central Government (of "Athens"). Finally, they vote for the European Parliament.

                            I already answered in the thread about Pomaks. My username was Akzion then.

                            Originally posted by George S. View Post
                            They get them to do their festivities & say hey this is all greek.They let them do their thing
                            under the watchfull eye one wrong word or from those they allow will get a beating & abuse & ridicule.
                            Is this on U-tube?
                            Last edited by cultea; 08-19-2011, 04:49 AM.

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                            • makedonche
                              Senior Member
                              • Oct 2008
                              • 3242

                              #15
                              Cultea
                              Objective, independent, non greek sourced evidence thanks!
                              On Delchev's sarcophagus you can read the following inscription: "We swear the future generations to bury these sacred bones in the capital of Independent Macedonia. August 1923 Illinden"

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