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  • cultea
    Banned
    • Jul 2011
    • 126

    #16
    Originally posted by Niko777 View Post
    Ашлаков објаснува дека националисти му праќале имејли во кои го обвинувале дека соработува со македонската влада.
    - Пишуваа, како сте го избрале тој човек на Груевски. Јас не сум човек на Груевски! Јас сум државјанин на оваа држава, живеам во Овчарани и по националност сум Македонец - вели тој. Ашлаков додава дека не бил избран од редовите на ПАСОК, туку од „Виножито“.
    That's not true. Panagiotis Anastasiadis (as is his real name) was indeed elected with the Socialists (the Government Party) which often host candidates of the Rainbow Party in their lists for local elections.
    Also, he was not directly elected as a President of the municipality, because there's no Meliti municipality anymore. Since 2010 it's part of Florina and people of the Meliti "apartment" (as it is called now) voted for the Mayor of Florina and their representatives in the Council of Florina.
    But they also voted for a local council (of three people). These three people in Meliti elected Anastasiadis among them and made him President of Meliti (apartment) but I don't really know what authorities he has now, comparing to the ones of the former law.
    Also I don't have the results especially for Meliti. It is possible that the Socialists (while overall third in Florina) were first in Meliti, which would explain why he was chosen among the three members of the local council.

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    • El Bre
      Member
      • Sep 2008
      • 713

      #17
      Panagiotis Anastasiadis (as is his real name)
      You know, before the Greek arrived and gave us civilization in the early 1900's, we actually had names.

      This reminds me of a book I read about Pavlos Milas. It described the house where he was killed and identified the family who lived there. Well, of course, in the book the family had a Greek name, but, in all actuality, at the time of Milas' death, no such family existed. They wouldn't have been rebaptised for another 20 - 25 years.
      Last edited by El Bre; 07-29-2011, 07:04 PM.

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      • vodenka
        Member
        • Mar 2009
        • 297

        #18
        That's not true. Panagiotis Anastasiadis (as is his real name)
        The real name of a person is the one he/she declares. In this case is Pande Ashlakov.
        Greece must learn to respect this human right and allow each of greek citizen to have his/her name registered officially in the way they wish, and not "hellenize" it.

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        • Mastika
          Member
          • Feb 2010
          • 503

          #19
          Originally posted by cultea View Post
          That's not true. Panagiotis Anastasiadis (as is his real name) was indeed elected with the Socialists (the Government Party) which often host candidates of the Rainbow Party in their lists for local elections.
          Also, he was not directly elected as a President of the municipality, because there's no Meliti municipality anymore. Since 2010 it's part of Florina and people of the Meliti "apartment" (as it is called now) voted for the Mayor of Florina and their representatives in the Council of Florina.
          But they also voted for a local council (of three people). These three people in Meliti elected Anastasiadis among them and made him President of Meliti (apartment) but I don't really know what authorities he has now, comparing to the ones of the former law.
          Also I don't have the results especially for Meliti. It is possible that the Socialists (while overall third in Florina) were first in Meliti, which would explain why he was chosen among the three members of the local council.
          Is it possible that his position roughly can be "mayor" of the small town? He may not have as much authority as before, but he can still represent his constituents and lobby on behalf of them.

          If you do find the electoral results please do link them here.

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          • cultea
            Banned
            • Jul 2011
            • 126

            #20
            Originally posted by Mastika View Post
            Is it possible that his position roughly can be "mayor" of the small town? He may not have as much authority as before, but he can still represent his constituents and lobby on behalf of them.

            If you do find the electoral results please do link them here.
            Certainly not. Their Mayor now is the Mayor of Florina. I believe they elect their councelors along with the rest of the people of Florina Municipality, some councelors especially from Meliti AND the people of the local council, i.e. they have choises in three different lists.

            The results were (for the first round):

            overall Florina Municipality
            Voskopoulos (New Democracy) 42%
            Aspridis (Sosialists, unofficial) 31%
            Mousiou (Sosialists, official) 23%
            Karantzidis (Communists) 4%

            especially in Meliti
            Voskopoulos (New Democracy) 39%
            Aspridis (Sosialists, unofficial) 36%
            Mousiou (Sosialists, official) 23%
            Karantzidis (Communists) 2%

            Anastasiadis was with Mousiou's list (so he was third). So, what I said before was wrong. I've no idea why they picked him as the President of the local council. Maybe he's the most experienced (I think he was the coinotarch of Meliti until 2010?). Maybe there's something I don't understand about the new system. Maybe you can ask him when he comes to Australia.

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            • cultea
              Banned
              • Jul 2011
              • 126

              #21
              Originally posted by vodenka View Post
              The real name of a person is the one he/she declares. In this case is Pande Ashlakov.
              Greece must learn to respect this human right and allow each of greek citizen to have his/her name registered officially in the way they wish, and not "hellenize" it.
              I don't think he declared it in the elections, but I essentially agree with you, that he should have the right to change his name and (in his case) he MUST change it.
              Whatever happened with the Nikos Stoidis case? He asked to change his name to Stoyannof, his request was declined and the case went to European Courts.
              Maybe you should all make a similar team effort.

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              • George S.
                Senior Member
                • Aug 2009
                • 10116

                #22
                Also in one his letters to his family pavlos melas the greek hero said he learn't to speak Macedonian.So much for the greek govt denying that macedonians don't exist Pavlos learn't to speak macedonian!
                Last edited by George S.; 07-30-2011, 01:26 PM. Reason: ed
                "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
                GOTSE DELCEV

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                • vodenka
                  Member
                  • Mar 2009
                  • 297

                  #23
                  Originally posted by cultea View Post
                  I don't think he declared it in the elections, but I essentially agree with you, that he should have the right to change his name and (in his case) he MUST change it.
                  Whatever happened with the Nikos Stoidis case? He asked to change his name to Stoyannof, his request was declined and the case went to European Courts.
                  Maybe you should all make a similar team effort.
                  I have no information of Stoidis taking the case about his name in the European Courts. I know that the greek law about citizens' names does not provide the possibility to change their name from a greek to a foreign one.
                  It is a simple procedure, though, the changing of a foreign name to a greek one!!!!!

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                  • Mikail
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 1338

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View Post
                    Ne zborvaa "gjupski". So takov predlog pokazvas deka ist si ko tie sho ne vregjaa nas. Razmisli malce.
                    Ostj go SoM, sigorno taka sborva oti mu bendisva Srbska Musika

                    Beme izlezeni do snego so na sin mi igraornata grupa i edna budala pusti Srbska musika vo avtobuso Da ne bese ti Lavche
                    From the village of P’pezhani, Tashko Popov, Dimitar Popov-Skenderov and Todor Trpenov were beaten and sentenced to 12 years prison. Pavle Mevchev and Atanas Popov from Vrbeni and Boreshnica joined them in early 1927, they were soon after transferred to Kozhani and executed. As they were leaving Lerin they were heard to shout "With our death, Macedonia will not be lost. Our blood will run, but other Macedonians will rise from it"

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                    • makgerman
                      Member
                      • Nov 2009
                      • 145

                      #25
                      Originally posted by cultea View Post
                      I don't think he declared it in the elections, but I essentially agree with you, that he should have the right to change his name and (in his case) he MUST change it.
                      Whatever happened with the Nikos Stoidis case? He asked to change his name to Stoyannof, his request was declined and the case went to European Courts.
                      Maybe you should all make a similar team effort.
                      There was a TV Documentary on Macedonian TV channel Kanal 5 titled - "Македонци во Егејска Македонија" where Vasko Eftov asks Pando Ashlakov about his name.

                      Pando clearly states that it was (and in still is) forbidden by the racist Greek church to christen anyone unless the name was in Greek.

                      Refer to the following link around the 8:10 mark:

                      'Country: Republic of Macedonia' Welcome to my Channel. Here you can post any comments you like(except ones with personal offence), talk about my videos and ask questions. I will give my best to answer to all of your comments(the reasonable ones). I have a big collection of books and pictures from Macedonian history, if you want some info about some Revolutionary or else just pm me. Disclamer: This channel does not promote violence, it does not spread any national, racist or religional propaganda or hatred. I will take into consideration all your advices and requests for my videos. some suggested web sites: www.egejska.com www.mkmuzika.com http://www.soros.org.mk/archive/ http://macedonian.atspace.com www.macedonium.org/ http://makedonika.wordpress.com/ http://www.macedoniantruth.org/ http://lagitenabugarizmot.blog.com.mk/

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                      • Risto the Great
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 15658

                        #26
                        Everyone knows this. It is simply treated as fact in Greece. No Greek priest will allow Macedonian names. They will take pagan names of Gods but won't take Macedonian Christian names. Idiots.
                        Risto the Great
                        MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
                        "Holding my breath for the revolution."

                        Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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                        • vodenka
                          Member
                          • Mar 2009
                          • 297

                          #27
                          Well, to say the truth, by the greek law now, somebody can register whatever name he/she likes for their children in the state municipality books and also more than just one name. The problem is the greek church that will not go on with the baptism of a child if the name is not greek.

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                          • George S.
                            Senior Member
                            • Aug 2009
                            • 10116

                            #28
                            don't forget the authorities won't allow you to get a job unless you change your name & it is a greek one.WEll today it doesn't matter as there are no jobs.The greeks know who to give the jobs to if there were any that is to real greeks.
                            Also to get apassport one needs to have a greek name as they will not issue one with a macedonian one.Another reason to change your name is if your kids go to school they have to be presented as greeks.Definitely the greek church will not allow batising with macedonian names.
                            "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
                            GOTSE DELCEV

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                            • lavce pelagonski
                              Senior Member
                              • Nov 2009
                              • 1993

                              #29
                              Mikail aj ne zajebavaj sega, da pustam jas Srbska muzika da mi se skrset prstite.

                              Pa sto Gjupski e Srbski zbor jas mislev deka Cikan e Srbski
                              Стравот на Атина од овој Македонец одел до таму што го нарекле „Страшниот Чакаларов“ „гркоубиец“ и „крвожеден комитаџија“.

                              „Ако знам дека тука тече една капка грчка крв, јас сега би ја отсекол целата рака и би ја фрлил в море.“ Васил Чакаларов

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                              • cultea
                                Banned
                                • Jul 2011
                                • 126

                                #30
                                Originally posted by vodenka View Post
                                I have no information of Stoidis taking the case about his name in the European Courts.
                                You are right. I confused it with the other case.
                                Originally posted by vodenka View Post
                                I know that the greek law about citizens' names does not provide the possibility to change their name from a greek to a foreign one.
                                It is a simple procedure, though, the changing of a foreign name to a greek one!!!!!
                                I believe you're wrong, or I would like to see that law (there's not one). I'm not aware of other cases except of Stoidis. His request was rejected with political-national arguments that can be fought in Greek and European courts.
                                I recently read about similar cases in Turkey and Bulgaria.
                                Last edited by cultea; 08-01-2011, 03:28 AM.

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