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I dont know if these historical documents are common knowledge in Macedonia,but in Greece they do.
It is known that The Dorians were one of the three major tribes into which the ancient Greeks divided themselves.Ionians and Aeolians ,were the other two tribes.Dorians,though their common origin,usually had hostile actions towards each other.Dorians had a unique Greek Dialect ,which distinguish them from the rest Greeks.There is a myth,a widely believed theory in ancient times,telling that Dorians derive from the mountains of Epirus and South Macedonia.Under some circumstances,the tribes splitted,and they fled to a)Macedonia b)Lacedaimona(Sparta) c)East Crete d)Magna Grecia(Sicily) e)Rhodes.More precisely :Though most of the Doric invaders settled in the Peloponnese, they also settled on Rhodes and Sicily, in what is now southern Italy. In Asia Minor existed the Dorian Hexapolis (the six great Dorian cities): Halikarnassos (Halicarnassus) and Knidos (Cnidus) in Asia Minor, Kos, and Lindos, Kameiros, and Ialyssos on the island of Rhodes. These six cities would later become rivals with the Ionian cities of Asia Minor. The Dorians also invaded Crete. These origin traditions remained strong into classical times: Thucydides saw the Peloponnesian War in part as "Ionians fighting against Dorians" and reported the tradition that the Syracusans in Sicily were of Dorian descent.Other such "Dorian" colonies, originally from Corinth, Megara, and the Dorian islands, dotted the southern coasts of Sicily from Syracuse to Selinus.
People who spoke the Doric dialect lived along the coast of the Peloponnese, in Crete, various cities of Southern Italy and Sicily, Numerous historians link Doric, North-Western Greek and Ancient Macedonian. In later periods other dialects predominated, most notably the Attic, upon which the Koine or common Greek language of the Hellenistic period was based. The main characteristic of Doric was the preservation of Indo-European [aː], long <α>, which in Attic-Ionic became, Tsakonian Greek, a descendant of Doric Greek and source of great interest to linguists, is extraordinarily still spoken in some regions of the Southern Argolid coast of the Peloponnese, on the coast of the modern prefecture of Arcadia.
In the 5th century BC, Dorians and Ionians were the two most politically important Greek, whose ultimate clash resulted in the Peloponnesian War.
However,if we accept this theory,we must consider Ancient Macedonians as Hellenes.Or then we should consider Spartans,Macedonians etc.as non Hellenes.I would be happy for a civilized discussion.
P.S. I admit that I took some parts from bibliographies,so to be more historical accurate.I think the text is not that accurate,but i will add more parts,when I will find suitable notes.
I dont know if these historical documents are common knowledge in Macedonia,but in Greece they do.
It is known that The Dorians were one of the three major tribes into which the ancient Greeks divided themselves.Ionians and Aeolians ,were the other two tribes.Dorians,though their common origin,usually had hostile actions towards each other.Dorians had a unique Greek Dialect ,which distinguish them from the rest Greeks.There is a myth,a widely believed theory in ancient times,telling that Dorians derive from the mountains of Epirus and South Macedonia.Under some circumstances,the tribes splitted,and they fled to a)Macedonia b)Lacedaimona(Sparta) c)East Crete d)Magna Grecia(Sicily) e)Rhodes.More precisely :Though most of the Doric invaders settled in the Peloponnese, they also settled on Rhodes and Sicily, in what is now southern Italy. In Asia Minor existed the Dorian Hexapolis (the six great Dorian cities): Halikarnassos (Halicarnassus) and Knidos (Cnidus) in Asia Minor, Kos, and Lindos, Kameiros, and Ialyssos on the island of Rhodes. These six cities would later become rivals with the Ionian cities of Asia Minor. The Dorians also invaded Crete. These origin traditions remained strong into classical times: Thucydides saw the Peloponnesian War in part as "Ionians fighting against Dorians" and reported the tradition that the Syracusans in Sicily were of Dorian descent.Other such "Dorian" colonies, originally from Corinth, Megara, and the Dorian islands, dotted the southern coasts of Sicily from Syracuse to Selinus.
People who spoke the Doric dialect lived along the coast of the Peloponnese, in Crete, various cities of Southern Italy and Sicily, Numerous historians link Doric, North-Western Greek and Ancient Macedonian. In later periods other dialects predominated, most notably the Attic, upon which the Koine or common Greek language of the Hellenistic period was based. The main characteristic of Doric was the preservation of Indo-European [aː], long <α>, which in Attic-Ionic became, Tsakonian Greek, a descendant of Doric Greek and source of great interest to linguists, is extraordinarily still spoken in some regions of the Southern Argolid coast of the Peloponnese, on the coast of the modern prefecture of Arcadia.
In the 5th century BC, Dorians and Ionians were the two most politically important Greek, whose ultimate clash resulted in the Peloponnesian War.
However,if we accept this theory,we must consider Ancient Macedonians as Hellenes.Or then we should consider Spartans,Macedonians etc.as non Hellenes.I would be happy for a civilized discussion.
P.S. I admit that I took some parts from bibliographies,so to be more historical accurate.I think the text is not that accurate,but i will add more parts,when I will find suitable notes.
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