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  • vicsinad
    Senior Member
    • May 2011
    • 2337

    International Moulders' and Foundry Workers' Journal, Volume 49, 1913, Pg. 113:

    Macedonians living in Bulgaria were compelled to serve in the Macedonian Volunteer Corps. Only those who had not reached the age of eighteen were free from compulsory mandatory service
    .

    This quote is also important for noting that many Macedonians did not want to serve in the Bulgarian army, even though they did.

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    • vicsinad
      Senior Member
      • May 2011
      • 2337

      This one is pretty good...should be plastered on the front of this forum

      We wonder how many Macedonians -- real Macedonians -- attended the so-called Macedonian meeting recently held in opposition to the cause of Macedonian emancipation in Athens. Possibly one, probably none...But all the distinguished phil-Hellenists in the world, backed by all the pseudo-Macedonians in Greece, cannot get over the fact that Macedonia is in a frightful state of disorder and misgovernment, that there is as much hope of Macedonia being declared Greek as of its being declared Spanish...
      from The Pall Mall Budget, January 9, 1885, Pg. 26.

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      • maco2envy
        Member
        • Jan 2015
        • 288

        Originally posted by vicsinad View Post
        This one is pretty good...should be plastered on the front of this forum



        from The Pall Mall Budget, January 9, 1885, Pg. 26.

        https://books.google.com/books?id=Mb...0irish&f=false
        Looks like this author underestimated the strength of the philhellenists...

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        • vicsinad
          Senior Member
          • May 2011
          • 2337

          There is a population of about two and a half million in Macedonia who have in the past been steadily fighting for their national independence. But at the Versailles Conference, this country was partitioned among the Greeks, the Jugo-Slavs, and the Bulgarians...

          There is no difference between the attitude of these new-born imperialistic powers towards Macedonia and that of France toward the people of Alsace-Lorraine. Their policy is either to suppress or denationalize them...The Macedonians, however, are going ahead with their plans and are fighting for the realization of their dream of an independent and free Macedonia Confederation.
          from:

          The Chinese Student's Monthly, Issues 2-3. 1927. Pg. 40.

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          • vicsinad
            Senior Member
            • May 2011
            • 2337

            The civilian population of Salonica is made up largely of Spanish Jews, Macedonians, Gypsies, Greeks, Turks and Dummies (Jews of Mahommedan faith).
            -The News Letter: Atlantic Division, American Red Cross, Vol. II, No. 43, November 10, 1919, Pg. 6.

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            • Carlin
              Senior Member
              • Dec 2011
              • 3332

              Vasil Sterjovski revealed documents of Italian, French and Bulgarian origin, which testify that Macedonians in Albania (namely Gora, Golo Brdo, Vrbnik...) declared themselves as Macedonians since 1923.

              URL:


              Please Watch the Video to see Vasil Sterjovski talk about these documents.

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              • Om3n
                Junior Member
                • Feb 2009
                • 46

                "We were a cosmopolitan gathering. There was Dr. S., a Roumanian, an Austrian ornithologist, a Scotchman, our innkeeper was a Macedonian, and two or three Montenegrins. From that evening date many of the pleasant friendships which we made in Montenegro."

                "...Albanians in high riding-boots, sitting their horses like Life Guardsmen; Macedonians, Greeks, and even pure-blooded Turks; Montenegrins in creamy white frock-coats worn over gold-braided crimson jackets; and dark-blue costumes with red worsted tassels of the poor Dalmatian peasants—all passed us in bewildering confusion."

                --- The Land of the Black Mountain: The Adventures of Two Englishmen in Montenegro by Reginald Wyon and Geraldn Prance (1903)

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                • Om3n
                  Junior Member
                  • Feb 2009
                  • 46

                  In the 11th and 12th Centuries, the citizens of Constantinople were apparently organized into phatr’ai. References are few, but tantalizing; further investigation is warranted.

                  Phatr’ai is a late-classical variant of phr‡tra, A tribe" or "subdivision of a tribe." This root meaning survives in a few 12th-Century usages: In 1138, Nicetas Choniates 1 (29-30) reports that John II divided his army by ethnic group and phatr’ai: Macedonians, Turks, Franks, etc. In 1184, the soldiers defending Nikaia held meetings by phatr’ai (ibid., 284-5), possibly by nationality.

                  --- "The Problem of Phatr’ai in the 11-12th Centuries" by Charles M. Brand

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                  • Niko777
                    Senior Member
                    • Oct 2010
                    • 1895

                    Found this in the Macedonian media. Apparently someone uploaded them to facebook, and date from 1928. My guess is that they were made as a souvenir by a Macedonian immigrant organization in Sofia.

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                    • Liberator of Makedonija
                      Senior Member
                      • Apr 2014
                      • 1595

                      Originally posted by Niko777 View Post
                      Found this in the Macedonian media. Apparently someone uploaded them to facebook, and date from 1928. My guess is that they were made as a souvenir by a Macedonian immigrant organization in Sofia.

                      Pretty sure they were made by the Ilinden Organisation
                      I know of two tragic histories in the world- that of Ireland, and that of Macedonia. Both of them have been deprived and tormented.

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                      • vicsinad
                        Senior Member
                        • May 2011
                        • 2337

                        I'm guessing the MPO in the US. Two reasons: the names on the stamps are not written in Cyrillic, and Todor Aleksandrov made the short list of featured revolutionaries.

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                        • VMRO
                          Senior Member
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 1462

                          Originally posted by vicsinad View Post
                          I'm guessing the MPO in the US. Two reasons: the names on the stamps are not written in Cyrillic, and Todor Aleksandrov made the short list of featured revolutionaries.
                          Vic is right on the money, seen similar united Macedonia map on MPO brochures. The article stipulates that the stamps are from the US so another indication of MPO origins.

                          However, i'm surprised they didn't use the "ff" in Deltcheff, Alexandroff and Grueff.
                          Verata vo Mislite, VMRO vo dushata, Makedonia vo Srceto.

                          Vnatreshna Makedonska Revolucionerna Organizacija.

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                          • vicsinad
                            Senior Member
                            • May 2011
                            • 2337

                            VMRO:

                            Good point on the -ff endings. However, being that MPO was around only 6 years at that point, perhaps they weren't as attached to the -ff endings yet.

                            Then again, who knows. My great-grandpa was -off since coming to the States in 1911 and he was anti-MPO.

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                            • Niko777
                              Senior Member
                              • Oct 2010
                              • 1895

                              -ff was just the common way of spelling in English before the 1950s.
                              It has nothing to do with political affiliation.

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                              • VMRO
                                Senior Member
                                • Sep 2008
                                • 1462

                                Originally posted by vicsinad View Post
                                VMRO:

                                Good point on the -ff endings. However, being that MPO was around only 6 years at that point, perhaps they weren't as attached to the -ff endings yet.

                                Then again, who knows. My great-grandpa was -off since coming to the States in 1911 and he was anti-MPO.
                                Different graphics designer/editor i guess.
                                Verata vo Mislite, VMRO vo dushata, Makedonia vo Srceto.

                                Vnatreshna Makedonska Revolucionerna Organizacija.

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