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  • Niko777
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2010
    • 1895

    Borisov: Gotse Delchev is the Bulgarian Che Guevara

    Full story: https://telma.com.mk/borisov-delchev...ot-che-gevara/

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    • Gocka
      Senior Member
      • Dec 2012
      • 2306

      Its very difficult watching my name be bastardized in such a way.

      Those criminals in Skopje brought this on themselves, and let me just say FUCK Ivanov too! It was Ivanov who signed the Bulgarian "friendship" treaty and got the ball rolling with all this joint history garbage.

      PS Guevara wasn't fit enough to clean Delchev's boots.

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      • Vangelovski
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2008
        • 8531

        Fuckwits and their red lines. They'd chops their own dicks off and call themselves Stevojca if they were told to.
        If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

        The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

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        • Soldier of Macedon
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2008
          • 13670

          Originally posted by Niko777 View Post
          Borisov: Gotse Delchev is the Bulgarian Che Guevara

          Full story: https://telma.com.mk/borisov-delchev...ot-che-gevara/
          What an absolutely idiotic comparison by that stupid tatar. But Zaev will still kiss his arse.
          In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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          • vicsinad
            Senior Member
            • May 2011
            • 2337

            Zaharieva says that we share a common history, Goce Delcev is Bulgarian, and that should unite Bulgaria and North Macedonia.

            Гоце Делчев е важна личност и за двете држави и треба да н’е обединува со Северна Македонија, а не да не дели, изјави вицепремиерката и министерка за надворешни работи на Бугарија Екатерина Захариева за bTV.

            Гоце Делчев е заеднички. Имаме заедничка историја.Точно тоа го кажува и Договорот за пријателство, добрососедство и соработка меѓу двете држави. Во тој договор Бугарија сака да ја каже вистината. Гоце Делчев е Бугарин, познат револуционер, една од најважните фигури и за нив, кој се борел за автономија на Македонија и на Одринска Тракија. Не гледам зошто толку се караме за него. Мислам дека оваа личност треба да не обединува, а не да не дели“, вели Захариева.
            Гоце Делчев е важна личност и за двете држави и треба да н’е обединува со Северна Македонија, а не да не дели, изјави вицепремиерката и министерка за надворешни работи на Бугарија Екатерина Захариева за bTV. Гоце Делчев е заеднички. Имаме заедничка историја.Точно тоа го кажува и Договорот за пријателство, добрососедство и соработка меѓу двете држави. […]

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            • Gocka
              Senior Member
              • Dec 2012
              • 2306

              Originally posted by vicsinad View Post
              Zaharieva says that we share a common history, Goce Delcev is Bulgarian, and that should unite Bulgaria and North Macedonia.



              https://expres.mk/zaharieva-delchev-...-ne-obedinuva/
              Are they tapping our phone conversations ???

              Stupid bitch.

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              • Carlin
                Senior Member
                • Dec 2011
                • 3332

                Dacic tells Borisov he understands his position on Goce Delcev, in return asks for his support on Kosovo

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                08.07.2019

                Serbian Foreign Minister Ivica Dacic expressed support to Bulgaria in its quest to ensure that Goce Delcev and other Macedonian VMRO heroes are considered Bulgarian and in return asked that Bulgaria shows understanding in its position toward Kosovo. Dacic spoke after Bulgarian Prime Minister Boyko Borisov asked the new European Union foreign policy chief Josep Borrell to change his position on Kosovo and recognize its independence from Serbia.

                Just as we have understanding about the issue of Bulgarian national identity, language, or Goce Delcev, we expect understanding in the importance of the Kosovo issue for the Serbian people. The statement the Bulgarian Prime Minister made is not about fishing or the quality of Serbian cheese, but about the territorial integrity of Serbia, Dacic said.

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                • Liberator of Makedonija
                  Senior Member
                  • Apr 2014
                  • 1595

                  Sending that one to all the Macedonians that think Serbia are our friends.
                  Last edited by Liberator of Makedonija; 07-09-2019, 02:54 AM.
                  I know of two tragic histories in the world- that of Ireland, and that of Macedonia. Both of them have been deprived and tormented.

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                  • Risto the Great
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 15658

                    Originally posted by Liberator of Makedonija View Post
                    Sending that one to all the Macedonians that think Serba are our friends.
                    It's gonna have a fair few recipients.
                    Risto the Great
                    MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
                    "Holding my breath for the revolution."

                    Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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                    • Liberator of Makedonija
                      Senior Member
                      • Apr 2014
                      • 1595

                      Originally posted by Risto the Great View Post
                      It's gonna have a fair few recipients.
                      Sadly yes.
                      I know of two tragic histories in the world- that of Ireland, and that of Macedonia. Both of them have been deprived and tormented.

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                      • Carlin
                        Senior Member
                        • Dec 2011
                        • 3332

                        Изјавата на Заев дека Македонија крадела историја со радост пречекана во Бугарија

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                        Скандалозната изјава на премиерот Зоран Заев дека Македонија ја присвојувала туѓата историја, дочекана со радост во Бугарија. Бугарските медиуми со задоволство пишуваат дека македонската страна конечно признала дека им се краде историјата.

                        Имено, Заев во интервју за грчката телевизија Алфа, зборува за точките од договорот со Грција, за јазикот и словенските корени. Притоа тој кажува дека земјава претходно крадела туѓа историја и со тоа ги нарушувала односите со соседите, а како резултат на тоа нашиот евроинтергациски пат бил под блокада.

                        – Во минатото обидот да се промени и извитопери нашата историја со преземање на светска, балканска и туѓа историја како наша, без да се води сметка како тоа влијае кај соседите се предизвика состојба да бидеме буквално скарани скоро со сите соседи и се затворија сите процеси за интеграција во ЕУ и НАТО – изјави Заев.

                        Ваквата непромислена изјава на Заев доаѓа во многу сензитивен период кога експертските комисии на Македонија со Грција, но и тие со Бугарија работат на ревизија на учебниците и сериозно ги нарушува позициите на македонската страна во овие разговори.





                        Last edited by Carlin; 07-22-2019, 02:02 PM.

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                        • Risto the Great
                          Senior Member
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 15658

                          He is presently Macedonia's worst enemy. Why he isn't dead yet is amazing.
                          Risto the Great
                          MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
                          "Holding my breath for the revolution."

                          Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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                          • Carlin
                            Senior Member
                            • Dec 2011
                            • 3332

                            “Historic appropriation” saga: Former Serbian nationalist leader claims that Macedonia is an artificial nation

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                            25.07.2019

                            Every day following Zoran Zaev’s statement that Macedonians were stealing history from their neighbors brings another comment in the same general direction. Zaev gave an interview with the Greek Alfa TV where he made the controversial comment, and it immediately prompted approving responses from neighboring countries, where local nationalists insist that the Macedonian nation is artificial and has appropriated heroes, historic events, traditions and, ultimately, territory, from its neighbors.

                            The same day Zaev gave his interview, similar comments were also made Borislav Jovic, the last President of Socialist Yugoslavia, who presided over the initial stage of the country’s collapse. Jovic, in an interview with the Espreso news site, lamented the establishment of the Macedonian and the Montenegrin nations, insisting that they should have been considered as Serbs.

                            There were three nations that constituted Yugoslavia – Serbs, Croats and Slovenians. Now we also have Macedonians and Montenegrins, who were previously united in a state with the Serbs. The Montenegrins are Serbs. The Macedonian nation was made up to create another artificial republic. That Macedonian nation was not recognized by neither the Greek nor the Bulgarian communist parties. Josip Broz Tito didn’t care about their positions, he did all he could to have as many separate republics as possible within Yugoslavia, Jovic said in his interview.

                            Zaev’s theory is that, by making unilateral concessions toward its neighbors, Macedonia can get them to stop denying the existence of the Macedonian nation and that, as a result of this appeasement, others will recognize Macedonian sovereignty.

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                            • Gocka
                              Senior Member
                              • Dec 2012
                              • 2306

                              Originally posted by Carlin15 View Post
                              “Historic appropriation” saga: Former Serbian nationalist leader claims that Macedonia is an artificial nation

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                              25.07.2019

                              Every day following Zoran Zaev’s statement that Macedonians were stealing history from their neighbors brings another comment in the same general direction. Zaev gave an interview with the Greek Alfa TV where he made the controversial comment, and it immediately prompted approving responses from neighboring countries, where local nationalists insist that the Macedonian nation is artificial and has appropriated heroes, historic events, traditions and, ultimately, territory, from its neighbors.

                              The same day Zaev gave his interview, similar comments were also made Borislav Jovic, the last President of Socialist Yugoslavia, who presided over the initial stage of the country’s collapse. Jovic, in an interview with the Espreso news site, lamented the establishment of the Macedonian and the Montenegrin nations, insisting that they should have been considered as Serbs.

                              There were three nations that constituted Yugoslavia – Serbs, Croats and Slovenians. Now we also have Macedonians and Montenegrins, who were previously united in a state with the Serbs. The Montenegrins are Serbs. The Macedonian nation was made up to create another artificial republic. That Macedonian nation was not recognized by neither the Greek nor the Bulgarian communist parties. Josip Broz Tito didn’t care about their positions, he did all he could to have as many separate republics as possible within Yugoslavia, Jovic said in his interview.

                              Zaev’s theory is that, by making unilateral concessions toward its neighbors, Macedonia can get them to stop denying the existence of the Macedonian nation and that, as a result of this appeasement, others will recognize Macedonian sovereignty.
                              All nations are artificial. All nations are social constructs. With out a group of people banding together and making a nation, no nations would exist.

                              I don't understand why Macedonians always get drawn into these primitive and mindless debates. What is even more confusing is how after now centuries of this garbage we still haven't grown a spine and learned how to fend off these kinds of idiotic comments.

                              Our neighbors act as if God himself bestowed nationhood upon them. The simple words artificial nation have absolutely no meaning. There is no such thing as a natural nation. Nations and the concept of nationhood don't even make up the last 200 years of human history. The fact that our neighbors don't even understand that simple fact tells you everything you need to know about who they are, what they believe, and what your relationship with them should be.

                              If anything Macedonia is a more "natural" nation than most. Most nations in Europe emanate from Kingdoms. Kingdoms conquered land and incorporated people into their domain through shear force and punishment by death. Most of those same kingdoms eventually became nations and thus most modern nations are conglomerates of people who may have never wanted to be in a union in the first place if given the choice.

                              Macedonians were never forced onto each other. If anything everyone and anyone who ever came through or occupied Macedonia tried to force them to assimilate with someone else. Macedonians were part of a large conglomerate twice in recent history, Ottoman empire and Yugoslavia and yet still freely chose who they considered to be their own kind. Despite pressures from Greeks, Bulgars, Serbs, Ottomans, and Yugoslav communists, Macedonians still persist in desiring their own identity. If that in itself isn't proof to those bastards that there is something genuine at play here, than nothing will ever convince them and we really need to get that through our fat skulls.

                              Despite all the painful events of the last how ever many years, that is something we really need to take pride in. It has been an uphill battle for us since day 1 and yet we still exist.

                              We have been insecure for way to long, its time we get over it and stop dignifying pathetic bottom feeders from around our neighborhood. I love history, but I'm starting to believe that as a nation we should never have gone down hat rabbit hole. To an extent we invited and dignified a lot of the attacks on us. Our enemies have effectively used a straw man on us for a century, and its still working.

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                              • Risto the Great
                                Senior Member
                                • Sep 2008
                                • 15658

                                Bravo Gocka, I totally agree. However the double edged sword is that your thinking then progresses you down the rabbit hole of the meaningless of nationality. Myth creation is useful and stupid in equal measure but seems essential to bind a nation. It really doesn't help me to think too much about it. Anyway, we're still here.
                                Risto the Great
                                MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
                                "Holding my breath for the revolution."

                                Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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