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Old 06-17-2018, 05:32 PM   #1
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Default VO CENTAR Makedonija se naogja pred istoriski bankrot!

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Old 07-31-2018, 08:32 PM   #2
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Surprisingly good analysis. He goes off on a conspiratorial tangent now and then, but its tolerable.

Grceva said:

Ovie ne se parti, ovie se Karteli
These are not parties these are cartels.

Finally someone gets it.

Another good point Grceva brought up was when she talked about how this agreement will tear apart Macedonians. I mentioned this in the other thread. I see it happening already. I can't associate with, I can't forgive people who are for this, they will no longer be Macedonians in my eyes. In my opinion this is the real goal of this circus. The real goal is to turn Macedonians against each other, to the point that the country can't function even as North Macedonia.



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Surprisingly good analysis. He goes off on a conspiratorial tangent now and then, but its tolerable.

Grceva said:

Ovie ne se parti, ovie se Karteli
These are not parties these are cartels.

Finally someone gets it.

Another good point Grceva brought up was when she talked about how this agreement will tear apart Macedonians. I mentioned this in the other thread. I see it happening already. I can't associate with, I can't forgive people who are for this, they will no longer be Macedonians in my eyes. In my opinion this is the real goal of this circus. The real goal is to turn Macedonians against each other, to the point that the country can't function even as North Macedonia.
If these events are followed through to their intended conclusion, the Macedonian nation will be divided, that result is inevitable, on one hand you will have the new Northern/European Slavs (being those that accept the new trajectory); and on the other you will have the traditional Indigenous Macedonians (those that reject the new trajectory).

Division is inevitable, but our nation must go through the process together before they can even consider this, unfortunately we all must first fall off the cliff before we can consider commencing the next stage of our struggle
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I've been quite negative about the whole ordeal to date, even defeatist Now with a set date, the whole thing has become very real to me and I feel like something has to be done.

Our reach is limited, our words will fall mostly on deaf ears but as Macedonians, we have an obligation to do something, anything. Even if our tiny contributions amount to nothing in the end, it would be shameful on our part to let this go by and say we did nothing.

Grceva was right, that at this moment, its all about the referendum. If that succeeds than all the treachery and idiocy becomes validated even if the referendum is manipulated, it will still legitimize everything. So at this moment all our energy, all the energy of anything who cares, should be focused on finding ways to make sure it fails, even though its non binding.

Now, I'm sure that in the event that the referendum fails, that the traitors will still try to push ahead, but that is a problem that can only be addressed when it comes. If the referendum fails, then at least you have a leg to stand on when the time comes.

We are at the edge of the cliff, but I refuse as a Macedonian to go over it without a fight.

There has to be a way, there is always a way.


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If these events are followed through to their intended conclusion, the Macedonian nation will be divided, that result is inevitable, on one hand you will have the new Northern/European Slavs (being those that accept the new trajectory); and on the other you will have the traditional Indigenous Macedonians (those that reject the new trajectory).

Division is inevitable, but our nation must go through the process together before they can even consider this, unfortunately we all must first fall off the cliff before we can consider commencing the next stage of our struggle
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Hegelian dialectic at work. As Philip II said, "divide and rule". Ordo ab chao.
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I've been quite negative about the whole ordeal to date, even defeatist Now with a set date, the whole thing has become very real to me and I feel like something has to be done.

Our reach is limited, our words will fall mostly on deaf ears but as Macedonians, we have an obligation to do something, anything. Even if our tiny contributions amount to nothing in the end, it would be shameful on our part to let this go by and say we did nothing.

Grceva was right, that at this moment, its all about the referendum. If that succeeds than all the treachery and idiocy becomes validated even if the referendum is manipulated, it will still legitimize everything. So at this moment all our energy, all the energy of anything who cares, should be focused on finding ways to make sure it fails, even though its non binding.

Now, I'm sure that in the event that the referendum fails, that the traitors will still try to push ahead, but that is a problem that can only be addressed when it comes. If the referendum fails, then at least you have a leg to stand on when the time comes.

We are at the edge of the cliff, but I refuse as a Macedonian to go over it without a fight.

There has to be a way, there is always a way.
Totally agree. Never said anything about not going out without a fight, just pointing out the inevitable conclusion if this trajectory is followed through to its end.

The referendum (plebiscite) is currently the priority and in my opinion is where all efforts should be currently focused on, the people have been given the opportunity to have their say, a statement needs to be made, irrespective of whether anyone is willing to listen to it or not
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