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  • Soldier of Macedon
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 13670

    #31
    Being neither Turkish nor Greek, we called them Bulgarian, but their language is not Bulgarian, but the Macedonian dialect, and I found lovable people among them........

    The Macedonian dialect of what? He stops short of referring to the language of those "lovable people" as simply Macedonian. I doubt very much that those "lovable people" went around calling their language a "Macedonian dialect", to them it was simply Macedonian.

    Not matter what (lies) he mentions in other parts of the text which exhibit his confusion (or denial), they are all betrayed by the above quote.

    Not Turkish, not Greek, not Bulgarian, but Macedonian-Makedonski-Makedonika.
    In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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    • makedonin
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2008
      • 1668

      #32
      As Misirkov put's it:

      The Greeks did not distinguish between the slavic Nations and all the Slavic people, specially the part fo them, who was making the troubles for them during the Turkish rule and were under their Jurisdiction (church), they were hating them and calling them with the name "Bulgarian" wich for tham was dispicable name.
      All in all, those lovable people were for them Hondrokephalos Bulgaris, cause they were not wanting to become descendants of Pericles.

      And he wonders why the Macedonian Comettee as he call's it was killing those double faced Greek Priests, the tool for Hellenisation.
      Last edited by makedonin; 03-14-2009, 12:58 PM.
      To enquire after the impression behind an idea is the way to remove disputes concerning nature and reality.

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      • Risto the Great
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2008
        • 15658

        #33
        Very damaging stuff.
        Risto the Great
        MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
        "Holding my breath for the revolution."

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        • makedonin
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2008
          • 1668

          #34
          Have you heard about the Solun Legend?

          Here is what those Medieval writers considered as Bulgarian:

          "The Bulgarian heard of me, the Great Knez Desimir of Moravia, Radivoi Knez of Preslav and all of the Knez bulgarian gethered together around Solun, and fought for the great blood and talked: send us a one of ours. So they sent me. The Bulgarians received me celebrant and brougth me in the town Ravn on the river Bregalnica. I wrote them their letter(characters). I teached them, and many of them converted on their own. They swore to give the Pravoslav Faith of Christ further. "(free translation)

          It is from the book:
          (Й. Иванов, "Български старини из Македония", БАН, 1970 г. ).'
          Online Link for the Solun Legend
          So the Moravian Knez Desimir....Knowing that Cyril and Methody were sent to Moravia region in the Czech Republic to teach them the "Slavic" letter, than this text would make the Czech's being Bulgarians.

          This text shows that the word Bulgarian had no Ethnic meaning, since the Moravian Knez, and the other "Slavic" speaking Knez were also considered as Bulgarian.
          A Bulgar tried to dump this conclusion, pointing to the Great Moravia region in Serbia, but this would be noticed in the text as Desimir the Great Moravian Knez, which is not.

          And even so, that would make the Serbs of Great Moravia a Bulgarians, which in this case can't hold the water. And since the "Other Knez" were also Bulgarian, and the Bulgarians had only one the only reasonable conclusion would be that, the term Bulgarian in deed refered to the "Slavic" spaking peasants, commoners and their rules.
          To enquire after the impression behind an idea is the way to remove disputes concerning nature and reality.

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          • Soldier of Macedon
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2008
            • 13670

            #35
            Makedonin, what is the original source of that text quoted by the Bugar?
            In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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            • makedonin
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2008
              • 1668

              #36
              Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View Post
              Makedonin, what is the original source of that text quoted by the Bugar?

              Do you mean this Bugar?:

              (Й. Иванов, "Български старини из Македония", БАН, 1970 г. ).'

              I posted the link in the quote:

              Online Link for the Solun Legend

              Here is it as a picture:

              To enquire after the impression behind an idea is the way to remove disputes concerning nature and reality.

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              • Soldier of Macedon
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2008
                • 13670

                #37
                Which year or century is it from?
                In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                • makedonin
                  Senior Member
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 1668

                  #38
                  Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View Post
                  Which year or century is it from?
                  Here what it say's:


                  Comments
                  the author of the e-Edition
                  of Solunska legend "



                  "Solunska legend is autobiographic story of St. Cyril of Christianity by the Bulgarians and the Bulgarian alphabet invention. Besides all the other merits of this document, it is also one of the many direct evidence izvekovnoto presence of Bulgarians in Cappadocia, Asia Minor. In the transcript found in the village of Turnovo around town Kriva (Tarnovski copy) The story begins thus: "He was born in Cappadocia moe ...". The other two copies known to us (copy Konstantinov - found by x vazrozhdenetsa Jordan. Konstantinov - Dzhinot and copy Tikveshki) begin as follows: "It was a legend in Cappadocia moe ...".
                  "Solunska legend" shows us that so-called "Gothic" to Christianity, became the territory of modern Bulgaria during the IV century Christianity is actually Bulgarians, and that "Gothic" Vulfila Bishop (born in Cappadocia) is the identity of St. Kurilo (vulf = Kurt = wolf), "Gothic" writing is nothing other than the Cyrillic alphabet. This link in a peremptory manner proved his works Dr. Gancho Tsenov.

                  Source: here

                  Translated with Google Translate.
                  On the other hand, I have seen this on Wikipedia:

                  Yordan Hadzhikonstantinov-Dzhinot found a manuscript of a Bulgarian medieval story "An oration of Saint Cyryl, how he baptized the Bulgarian people"', called "Solunska legenda" ("A legend from Thesalonika"). It was published in Glasnik magazine in 1856.

                  I can't tell you which Century it is so far.
                  To enquire after the impression behind an idea is the way to remove disputes concerning nature and reality.

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                  • Soldier of Macedon
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 13670

                    #39
                    So it is well after the time of Saint Cyril, probably written by some monk and his rendition of Saint Cyril's actions in life.
                    In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                    • makedonin
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2008
                      • 1668

                      #40
                      Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View Post
                      So it is well after the time of Saint Cyril, probably written by some monk and his rendition of Saint Cyril's actions in life.
                      Yes in deed. put it somewhere X or XI century, not sure exactly.
                      To enquire after the impression behind an idea is the way to remove disputes concerning nature and reality.

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                      • Soldier of Macedon
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 13670

                        #41
                        Ancestors of the "bulgarian" Macedonians

                        As there are other threads that go deep into the reasoning as to why Macedonians of the 19th and 20th century identified as 'Bulgarians' in some instances, this thread will demonstrate who these "bulgarian" Macedonians considered their ancestors.

                        1845: Russian Chronicler Victor Grigorovich, who travelled among these "bulgarian" Macedonians, has the following to say -
                        In all areas I visited, I have not heard other names but the names of Alexander the Great and King Marko. Both are alive in the memory of the people…Still, the memory of Alexander the Great is the more established in the people.
                        1852: Macedonian writer Jordan Dzinot identified as a 'Bulgarian' or 'Slav-Bulgarian' in his writings, yet his ancestry, although called 'Bulgarians' by him, pre-date the Bulgar hordes of the 7th century -
                        Bulgarian children! In the times before SS Cyril and Methodius, the most known people in the Eastern Empire were Bulgarians: Such as Emperor Justinian.........and Emperor Basil the Macedon was a Bulgarian.......
                        1866: Bosnian writer Stefan Verkovich, who also speaks of the 'Bulgarian' reference regarding Macedonians, recorded the following about these people -
                        The Marvatsi have tales and folklore passed down through generations from the distant past, which could fill the gaps in general and local Slavic history, as well as clarify and correct many inaccurate and troubling opinions and arguments among ancient and more recent historians about the people living in the Balkan peninsula, about their forefathers, the ancient Thracians, Macedonians and Illyrians…The folksong a very unusual and significant which come down from a distant past. They also relate a song about Alexander and Bucephalus; about his crusade in Asia and war against Darius and Porus….
                        1868: Bosnian writer Stefan Verkovich, after having travelled through Macedonia and recorded such rich culture and songs, was thus compelled to write the following to the Zagreb newspaper 'Dragoljub' -
                        The Slavs, and not the Greeks, are the forefathers of the civilisation
                        1878: The background of the Macedonian Rebel Committee is intertwined with the Russian invasion of Turkey in Europe and the confidence inspired in the Balkan Slavs such as the Serbs, Bulgarians and Macedonians. Although sometimes referred to as a 'Bulgarian' movement by some writers (namely those from Bulgaria), the ancestry cited in the prescripts again betrays the Bulgarian manipulation of history -
                        With the wish to cast off the Turkish bondage from our fatherland, each and every one of us stands ready to sacrifice whatever is necessary. We have rebelled as champions of freedom. By shedding our blood throughout the fields and forests of Macedonia, we serve as the Macedonian army of Alexander the Great once did. We fight for freedom and our motto is: "Freedom or Death!"
                        1892: Macedonian writer Kuzman Shapkarev, who also often identified as a "bulgarian" Macedonian, considers the following his ancestors -
                        During our childhood my father would telling us many stories about King Marko and about Tsar Alexander – Alexander the Great.
                        1903: Nikola Karev during an interview for a Greek paper, is clear about what the ancient Macedonians meant to him - ......
                        I am Macedonian
                        . The Greek interviewer asks,
                        direct descendant to Alexander the Great?
                        Karev responds,
                        Yes
                        .

                        1923: Macedonian writer Krste Misirkov, who had his Macedonian identity often contested and compromised by his Bulgarian peers, and who at times identified as a Bulgarian himself, wrote the following with regard to the ancestors of the Macedonians -
                        King Mark is the son and pride of Macedonia and one of the three great conquerors who spread the name of their land far beyond its territories: (1) Alexander of Macedon spread the glory of Macedonia as far as the Central Asian rivers of Amu Darya [Oxus] and Syr Darya [Jaxartes], and also to India and the Indian Ocean; (2) The holy Cyril and Methodius spread the Macedonian word and script among all the Slavic peoples, and (3) King Marko placed under his authority and under that of the Macedonian muse all popular singers and peoples on the Balkan Peninsula, including you, the descendants of his sworn enemies......

                        The key point here is simple: The people that produced these texts often referred to the Macedonians as 'Bulgarians' during the era cited above. However, despite their 'Bulgarian' terminology, it is clear from the texts that these so-called 'Bulgarians' from Macedonia considered as their ancestors the historical figures of Macedonia, and not Bulgar Khans from Asia. Yet another reason why the 'Bulgarian' name was eventually dropped due to being rendered useless for the national aspirations of the Macedonians.

                        If the 'Bulgarian' name and so-called Bulgarian origins from Asia were dear to the Macedonians, they would have been retained by the Macedonians the same way the Macedonian name and local Macedonian history was.
                        In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                        • Bratot
                          Senior Member
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 2855

                          #42
                          Nice comparison SOM, I like that chronology it tells a lot especcially this part:

                          ".. it is clear from the texts that these so-called 'Bulgarians' from Macedonia considered as their ancestors the historical figures of Macedonia, and not Bulgar Khans from Asia."
                          The purpose of the media is not to make you to think that the name must be changed, but to get you into debate - what name would suit us! - Bratot

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                          • Bratot
                            Senior Member
                            • Sep 2008
                            • 2855

                            #43
                            "БУЛГАРЫ - ЭТНОС и ЭТНОНИМ"

                            Абрар Каримуллин

                            СОДЕРЖАНИЕ:

                            1. ИТОГИ НАУЧНОЙ СЕССИИ О ПРОИСХОЖДЕНИИ ТАТАР

                            2. ПРОИСХОЖДЕНИЕ НАЗВАНИЯ "ТАТАРЫ" и КОГО НАЗЫВАЛИ ЭТИМ ИМЕНЕМ?

                            3. О ПРЕДКАХ СОВРЕМЕННЫХ ТАТАР

                            4. БУЛГАРЫ В СРЕДНЕМ ПОВОЛЖЬЕ

                            5. ИЗ ИСТОРИИ ЭТНОНИМОВ

                            6. О НАЗВАНИИ "ТАТАРЫ" и ЭТНОНИМЕ "БУЛГАРЫ"

                            7. КАК НАЗЫВАЮТ СЕБЯ СОВРЕМЕННЫЕ ТАТАРЫ

                            8. ЭКВИЛИБРИСТИКА С АЗВАНИЕМ "ТЮРК", "ТУРОК", "ТАТАР", "МУСУЛЬМАНИН"

                            9. БОЛГАРЫ, БАЛКАРЫ, БУЛГАРЫ

                            10. О ЖИВУЧЕСТИ ПРОЗВИЩА "ТАТАРЫ"

                            11. НЕСКОЛЬКО СЛОВ О БЫТЕ И КУЛЬТУРЕ БУЛГАР - "ТАТАР"

                            12. КАКОВ ВЫВОД?

                            - Еве како изгледа содржината на дело за еднородноста и вистинското потекло на Бугарите, а дури внатре е има што да се види, НО КОЈ САКА ДА ВИДИ?!




                            Булгары - предки TATAP

                            "Мы - БУЛГАРЫ.
                            Мы - блоковские скифы.
                            Творцы легенд.
                            И сами полумифы."

                            (Н.Беляев, "Казанская тетрадь")

                            - "...Писателите от IX и началото на Хв. още не гонаричат "български", защото го отделят от езика на прабългарите. Този тюркски език,макар и вече на изживяване, още не е изчезнал окончателно. ..."



                            "Тюркские языки - семья языков..." - Турски јазици

                            Источник Русский филологический портал

                            ..... Булгарская (булгарский, чувашский)

                            1. Разделение тюрских языков на четыре самые древние ветви (якутскую, тувинскую, булгарскую и западную) произошло практически одновременно в течение трех первых веков нашей эры. ..... Булгарская подгруппа (чувашский язык) равноудалена от других подгрупп тюркских языков и выделилась из единого тюркского праязыка не ранее (а возможно, даже несколько позже), чем другие ветви. ..."




                            "В IX-X веках в связи с принятием ислама предки современных татар - булгары свое руническое письмо заменили арабской графикой, что положительно влияло на расширение массовой грамотности населения. В 1927 году вместо арабского письма..."

                            - ОСНОВНЫЕ СВЕДЕНИЯ ПО ТАТАРСКОМУ ЯЗЫКУ

                            "...Татарский язык относится к кипчакско-булгарской группе тюркских языков.......В IX-X веках в связи с принятием ислама предки современных татар - булгары свое руническое письмо заменили арабской графикой..."



                            Aкадемик Mирфатук Zакиев : "Происхождение тюрков и татар"
                            (Москва, Издательство «Инсан», 2002)

                            pецензенты: доктор философских наук, профессор Р.Х.Бариев
                            доктор исторических наук, профессор Д.К.Сабирова


                            В первой части книги делается попытка раскрытия древнейших этнических корней тюркоязычных племен и народов: субаров, сумеров, кангаров, хорасмиев, парфян, согдийцев, ариев, тохаров-тавров, ку¬санов, саков-скифов, сарматов, этрусков, оногуров, аланов-асов, хунов-сюнов и т.д. Сравнительно подробно описанные в других трудах этниче¬ские корни тюрков периода собственно тюркских государств затрагиваются лишь в общих чертах. Эта часть книги может быть полезной для воссоздания этнической истории не только булгаро-татар, но и других тюркоязычных народов.

                            Вторая часть книги посвящена освещению проблем этногенеза и ос¬новных вопросов этнополитической истории не вообще татар, а их кон¬кретной части, а именно булгаро-татар, в состав которых исто¬ри¬чески вошли татары Урало-Поволжья, сибирские татары и литовские татары.

                            Наряду с этим вносится некоторая ясность в отдельные аспекты этно¬генеза древних татар, монголо-татар, тартар, ордынских татар, тюр¬ко-татар, крымских татар и добруджинских (буджакских) татар.



                            История изучения этногенеза татар

                            I 67. Первые попытки изучения этногенеза татар. Булгаро-татары формировались на основе консолидации местных тюрк¬ских и тюркизированных племен, которые в составе Волж¬ско-Булгарского государства получили общее название булгары; далее в составе татарского государства Джучиева Улу¬са они приобрели внешний этноним татары (т.е. другие на¬роды называли их татарами, хотя сами они продолжали именовать себя булгарами). Затем, в середине XIX в. этноним татары начал применяться у них как самоназвание, хотя при этом в народе сохранилось и прежнее на¬звание — булгары. Таким образом, современные булгаро-татары как этнос происходят от булгар в широком смысле этого слова, а этноним татары проник в их среду от названия монголо-татарского государства Джучиева Улуса и русского названия ордынского населения татарами. Поэтому при изучении этногенеза булгаро-татар мы не можем оставить в стороне и проблемы семантики этнонима татар, и истории его проникновения в среду булгар.

                            Первую попытку изучения татар и их этногенеза сделал тюрк по происхождению Махмуд Кашгарлы (Кашгарский, т.е. Махмуд из Кашгара) в своем энциклопедическом труде «Дивану лугат ит-тюрк» (Сборник тюркских наречий). Этот труд был написан на арабском языке под влиянием арабской культуры для обучения арабов тюркскому языку в 466 году по мусульманскому летосчислению (хиджри), который соответствует 1072—73 году по христианскому летосчислению (милади). Как и другие достижения арабско-тюркской культуры, «Дивану» М. Кашгарлы был утерян, его обнаружили лишь в начале ХХ в., и он постепенно вошел в научный оборот. Тем не менее мы считаем его первой попыткой определения этноса татар.

                            И уште за потеклото на Бугарите.

                            ".....През втората половина на 7 в. на територията на днешна Североизточна България се заселват и прабългарите, народ от тюркски произход....."


                            ".....Не след дълго, когато прабългарите се стапят в славянската маса и названието „българин" остава като общо и единствено название на единното българско население, започва да се слага знак на равенство между „славянски" и „български" език и книги....."

                            - И уште факти и од секаде за Бугарскиот корен:


                            К вопросу об образовании булгаро-татарской народности - Исследования по исторической диалектологии татарского языка," . Казань, 1985 г.:


                            "Имеют место утверждения о том, что на рубеже XIV-XV вв. булгарская народность существовала, Это - так. Но удивительно и странно другое: там же одновременно утверждается, что развитие булгарской народности прекратилось, Возникает вопрос, а куда же она исчезла? По мнению некоторых авторов, начинается XV век и начинается новая народность - так называемая народность казанских татар. Между тем, для образования новой народности, как утверждают советские ученые, необходим срок, по крайней мере, в 200 лет. А тут и пятидесяти лет нет! В действительности, в XV-XVI вв. никакая новая народность не образовалась, а продолжала свое существование и переживала следующий этап своего рaзвития та же, но уже более развитая булгарская народность...

                            ...Mишари... нельзя их считать отдельной народностью. Потому что они были наделены общими с булгарами признаками: одна территория - Среднее Поволжье; один язык; одна общественно - эконо¬мическая система - феодализм; одна духовная культура, развивавшаяся под воздействием религии - ислам и др.

                            ...Mногие деятели культуры татарского, а также башкирского (Г. Чукрый) народов до самого ХIХ в. называли себя по старинной традиции по месту рождения или учения - эль-Болгари, т.е. Булгарский. Длинный список таких эль-Булгари приводится в трудах Ш. Марджани. У татарского народа сохранилось множество преданий о булгарских временах, богатырях и царях, например "Жизнь Алпа и основание города Булгара", "Святые города Булгара" "Похищение Акбики" и др.

                            Потомками древних булгар казанские татары являются не только по легендам. Они выступают конкретными продолжателями традиций древней Булгарии в областях письменной и педагогической культуры, религии, и обычаев, а также в области государственной жизни (торговля), архитектуры и изобразительного искусства".




                            Според БАН кои се се Бугарски цареви и од кого поставувани:


                            Цар Ивайло
                            1277-1280 г.
                            Оглавява селското въстание през 1277 г. Завзема престола, след като разбива войските на цар Константин Тих, а самия него убива. През 1280 г. търси помощ от татарския хан Ногай, от когото е убит.

                            Цар Смилец
                            1292-1298 г.
                            Поставен от татарския хан Ногай.

                            Цар Чака
                            1299 г.
                            Син на татарския хан Ногай и зет на цар Георги Тертер I от кумански произход.

                            Рускиот Aкадемик Н.И. Золотницки:

                            "...Вотяки Татар зовут Бигер, т.е. Булгар... это указание... дополняет свидетельство Н.В.Григорьева тем, что не только нынешние Татары, в воспоминание древней славы, иногда еще с гордостью величают себя Булгарлыком, Булгарством... Не могу... пропустить позднейшего известия Куника.., что 'Казанских Татар и по сию пору в Средней Азии называют Болгарами'."

                            (Лингвистическая заметка о названиях Булгар, Биляр и Моркваши (читана 30 ноября I878г.) - ИОАИЭ, т. III. Казань, I884 г.).
                            The purpose of the media is not to make you to think that the name must be changed, but to get you into debate - what name would suit us! - Bratot

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                            • Soldier of Macedon
                              Senior Member
                              • Sep 2008
                              • 13670

                              #44
                              It is those Turkic peoples that still live in the regions of Volga Bulgaria that are the true descendants of the original Bulgars. The Slavic-speakers of Thrace and Moesia carry a name which was adopted due to political circumstances centuries ago, and was the title of their oppressors. Other than that, the Bulgar name has no ethnic, cultural or linguistic significance in the Balkans.

                              Take for example the pride of modern Serbia, its capital Belgrade, and its history from the 9th century onwards.


                              The town was mentioned again not until the IX century, under the Slavic name BEOGRAD (White Town - probably because of the walls made of white limestone). It was in a letter of April 16, 878 which Pope John VIII wrote to the Bulgarian prince Boris-Mihailo, about the dismissal of a Christian bishop Sergije.
                              Later, this name appeared in several variants: ALBA GRAECA, GRIECHISCH WEISSENBURG, NANDOR ALBA, NANDOR FEJERVAR, CASTELBIANCO, ALBA BULGARICA.
                              The Travels of Sir John Mandeville, by Sir John Mandeville, 1357
                              And the King of Hungary is a great lord and a mighty, and holdeth great lordships and much land in his hand. For he holdeth the kingdom of Hungary, Sclavonia, and of Comania a great part, and of Bulgaria that men call the land of Bougiers……….

                              And after, go men to Belgrade, and enter into the land of Bougiers
                              ; and there pass men a bridge of stone that is upon the river of Marrok.
                              However, the Bulgar appellation extends further than Serbia, and into Bosnia, as the below text indicates.

                              Исторические документы Востока и Запада

                              Simeon Lehaci, Balkan Traveller of Armenian origin, 1608-1620.
                              In Bosnia, everywhere there are also many Bulgarian monasteries .... In Bosnia, all the people speak in Bulgarian........
                              Greeks and Macedonians are presently engaged in an often heated dispute involving competing claims to a single identity. Each group asserts that they, and they alone, have the right to identify themselves as Macedonians. The Greek government denies the existence of a Macedonian nation and insists that all Macedonians are Greeks, while Macedonians vehemently assert their existence as a unique people. Here Loring Danforth examines the Macedonian conflict in light of contemporary theoretical work on ethnic nationalism, the construction of national identities and cultures, the invention of tradition, and the role of the state in the process of building a nation. The conflict is set in the broader context of Balkan history and in the more narrow context of the recent disintegration of Yugoslavia. Danforth focuses on the transnational dimension of the "global cultural war" taking place between Greeks and Macedonians both in the Balkans and in the diaspora. He analyzes two issues in particular: the struggle for human rights of the Macedonian minority in northern Greece and the campaign for international recognition of the newly independent Republic of Macedonia. The book concludes with a detailed analysis of the construction of identity at an individual level among immigrants from northern Greece who have settled in Australia, where multiculturalism is an official policy. People from the same villages, members of the same families, living in the northern suburbs of Melbourne have adopted different national identities.

                              The term "Bulgarian," which had earlier been used to refer to all the Slavs of the Ottoman Empire (Friedman 1975:84), or as a virtual synonym for "peasant" without any political significance at all (Wilkinson 1951:149), came to mean "Bulgarian" in a national sense.
                              The Bulgar term is historically irrelevant from an ethnic, linguistic and cultural perspective where it concerns the Macedonians, which is the reason it was dropped by everybody except the Slavic-speaking people of Moesia, which is the territory where the first Turkic Bulgar state was established along the Danube.
                              In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                              • TrueMacedonian
                                Senior Member
                                • Jan 2009
                                • 3810

                                #45
                                YouTube - Keith Brown on the ethnic identity of Macedonians 1930-40's

                                Watch this video of Professor Keith Brown. He gives a quick explanation to why some Macedonians used the term "Bulgarian" or "Macedo-Bulgarian".
                                Slayer Of The Modern "greek" Myth!!!

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