Why is there no proactivity from the Macedonians in the Republic, Aegean and Pirin?

[Prolet]

Most of the Egejci will tell you they are not "minority" because they are indigenous people, not a minority of an other nation who lives outside the borders of the state. Minority are the Macedonians in Serbia, Romania, Croatia, etc. not the macedonians who live in Macedonian territory, even if occupied. Some of them, because of the greek propaganda and out of ignorance believe they are a different kind of Macedonians than the ones who live in the Republic of Macedonia but still very proud of being Macedonian: we have to work a lot to educate them and help them get over the greek propaganda.

Thats exactly right Vodenka

[Jankovska]

Daskale, How far did the Albanians get in Greece? There is a million of them there, they have less minority rights then we do aswell as the Turks. We are recognized as Slav Speakers while the Turks are recognized as Muslim Greeks, the Albanians are a forgotten race in Greece.

Its easy to gain rights when the EU and USA are supporting you, like what happened with the Albanians in Macedonia and Serbia/Kosovo but Greece is a different Kettle of Fish.

You shouldn't worry much about the rights the Albanians have in Greece, soon they will enjoy every right. You should worry about the Macedonians and stop making things 'better' by pointing out how someone else is worse off. You need to stop doing this. I care about the Egejci and their status as I care about the gov and what they are doing. I don't give a fuck about the Albanians in Greece and certinly not about SDSM. Prolet stop it, it's irritating everyone now

[Jankovska]

Most of the Egejci will tell you they are not "minority" because they are indigenous people, not a minority of an other nation who lives outside the borders of the state. Minority are the Macedonians in Serbia, Romania, Croatia, etc. not the macedonians who live in Macedonian territory, even if occupied. Some of them, because of the greek propaganda and out of ignorance believe they are a different kind of Macedonians than the ones who live in the Republic of Macedonia but still very proud of being Macedonian: we have to work a lot to educate them and help them get over the greek propaganda.

Most Egejci should snap out of it and accept reality or is this something you guys in Egej seem to have a problem with. Egej is not Macedonia, it's under Greece now so how about you give up yout Greek passport and become a Macedonian minority. Or are you telling me you would rather be Greek than Macedonian minority? What do the Egejci want? I thought they are victims? Do they want recognition or they want territory. If it's the first get of your arses and demand it, if it's the second dream on

[Jankovska]

Thats exactly right Vodenka

Thta is bullshit. The most lame excuse I have read from an egeec. If you want egej independent fight for it? Haha you won't even move of your butts and protests but you want to be independent. You guys are funny, no wonder you are still 'victims' of Greek society.

[Prolet]

The Albanians in Greece were not proper citizens of the Hellenic Republic, this is not the case with the Macedonians. Your analogy is faulty.

Im not sure what you mean by this, are you stating that there is no Albanian Minority in Greece? Why dont the Albanians in Greece cause riots,punch ups in the street for their rights?

YouTube - Famous Greeks of Albanian origin

[Jankovska]

We have tried all the legal ways, we even have won court cases in both EU and International courts for Greece and Bulgaria to recognize our status but they simply ignore the rulings, while the Serbs were bombed and we where threatened with sanctions if we dont change our constitution, thats why we signed the Capitulating Ramkoven Dogovor. Kaj shto ima sila nema pravdina, taka e sekoj pat.

I kaj e nasata sila? Kaj e na egejcite silata? Dva trojca na muabet u dvor a koga dojde do facing up to it site begaat i se Grci.

[vodenka]

Thta is bullshit. The most lame excuse I have read from an egeec. If you want egej independent fight for it? Haha you won't even move of your butts and protests but you want to be independent. You guys are funny, no wonder you are still 'victims' of Greek society.

Nobody is talking about independent state, but about rights for a indigenous people which are much more than those of a minority.

[Jankovska]

Nobody is talking about independent state, but about rights for a indigenous people which are much more than those of a minority.

No they are not. There are more Greeks in present Greece than Macedonians. So like it or not you are a minority in present Greece.
And whatever is that egejci want (I don't know what they want) will not be served to them on a silver plate. This just proves that I was right all along, you would rather be Greek than an ethnic Macedonian. No wonder many have a problem with that term

[Prolet]

Jankovska, I couldnt care about the Albanians in Greece im simply using them as an example, Daskal used them as an example how they got their rights in Macedonia by demanding it but its different when you have the backing of a super power isnt it?

You should watch Janko Bachev's interview on Tera TV, he says that they had all the information on the Albanians and that there was 800 of them in the hills, they knew exactly where they were but nobody could touch them (Janko Bachev was in DBK at the Time)

Jankovska, Its very simple and ask yourself why havnt the Albanians got the same rights in Greece as they have in Kosovo,MonteNegro,Serbia and Macedonia.

[Bill77]

Jankovska, Its very simple and ask yourself why havnt the Albanians got the same rights in Greece as they have in Kosovo,MonteNegro,Serbia and Macedonia.

Simple, they took up arms.

[vodenka]

No they are not. There are more Greeks in present Greece than Macedonians. So like it or not you are a minority in present Greece.
And whatever is that egejci want (I don't know what they want) will not be served to them on a silver plate. This just proves that I was right all along, you would rather be Greek than an ethnic Macedonian. No wonder many have a problem with that term

We are doing what we can and alone.

[vodenka]

Simple, they took up arms.

The Catalans in Spain did not take up arms but they managed to be recognized as a separate nation. The Flamands, the Welsh and so many others have their rights without any war or revolution.

[Prolet]

Bill, What arms? They had no hope, they had the backing of USA and the EU.

They dont have the same backing in Greece, like i said before Janko Bachev who was in DBK at the time said our people had intelligence where they were. They were sitting ducks, we saw what happened in Arachinovo and Radusha.

[Jankovska]

We are doing what we can and alone.

It's not even close to enough.

[Prolet]

Vodenka, What about the Basques in Spain and France?