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Old 12-13-2008, 05:42 AM   #21
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I see that you are applying the current borders of the socalled "province" of Macedonia, they were not the borders of Macedonia as of according to the Macedonians themselves.

Here is a map made by the Macedonians in 1913, and you will notice that the Vlach and Arvanite inhabited part of Katherini is not included.

CLICK HERE KARTA MAKEDONIIA 1913
So what? I still can't see your majority in Greek Macedonia.

As for the map,do you thing it includes any kind of homogeneous population??? It's just a geographical region and nothing more.

PS-Look at VMRO'S member Avatar-The borders of his Macedonia include Pieria...You must agree between yourselves ,you want Katerini or not?

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Old 12-13-2008, 06:05 AM   #22
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So what? I still can't see your majority in Greek Macedonia.

As for the map,do you thing it includes any kind of homogeneous population??? It's just a geographical region and nothing more.

PS-Look at VMRO'S member Avatar-The borders of his Macedonia include Pieria...You must agree between yourselves ,you want Katerini or not?

It looks pretty homogeneous to me, do you notice the difference of coloring which distances Macedonia from its neighbors, notice also the title of the map, "On the program of the Macedonian people".

I ceartainly think that Dimitrija Dimov Chupovski had a much better knowledge of the borders of Macedonia in 1913 then the maker of Vmro's avatar had.



You say that it is a geographical region then why is the part now in Greece the "REAL" part and the only to be named Macedonia?

Your parts of Macedonia as you yourselves have named them are;

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Dytiki Makedonia (West Macedonia)
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Kentriki Makedonia (Central Macedonia)
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Anatoliki Makedonia kai Thraki (East Macedonia and Thrace)

As we can see all of the names have a geographical definer and one of them is a complex name with the inclusion of Thrace in it.

So our geographical part is the Republic of Macedonia CLEARLY SEPARATED FROM YOURS WHICH HAVE CLEAR GEOGRAPHICAL AND COMPLEX NAMES, so where is the name problem?
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Old 12-13-2008, 07:31 AM   #23
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It looks pretty homogeneous to me, do you notice the difference of coloring which distances Macedonia from its neighbors, notice also the title of the map, "On the program of the Macedonian people".

I ceartainly think that Dimitrija Dimov Chupovski had a much better knowledge of the borders of Macedonia in 1913 then the maker of Vmro's avatar had.
The different colors of the map DO NOT define different people-It's NOT an ethnographical map! Green and pink are Ottoman regions(pink is what the author defines as Macedonia)
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You say that it is a geographical region then why is the part now in Greece the "REAL" part and the only to be named Macedonia?

Your parts of Macedonia as you yourselves have named them are;

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Dytiki Makedonia (West Macedonia)
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Kentriki Makedonia (Central Macedonia)
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Anatoliki Makedonia kai Thraki (East Macedonia and Thrace)

As we can see all of the names have a geographical definer and one of them is a complex name with the inclusion of Thrace in it.

So our geographical part is the Republic of Macedonia CLEARLY SEPARATED FROM YOURS WHICH HAVE CLEAR GEOGRAPHICAL AND COMPLEX NAMES, so where is the name problem?
You can call it Republic of North Macedonia then,since it's near 37% of Geographical Macedonia.
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Old 12-13-2008, 07:36 AM   #24
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No, the fact that it is a Republic is enough distinction and indication of difference. No state should ever have to negotiate their name against a mere group of regions. It is none of your business what our state is called.
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No, the fact that it is a Republic is enough distinction and indication of difference. No state should ever have to negotiate their name against a mere group of regions. It is none of your business what our state is called.
Well ok..but you ll stay out of EU and NATO forever.
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Dangle that carrot to your Albanian cousins, Macedonia will decide her own fate.
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The different colors of the map DO NOT define different people-It's NOT an ethnographical map! Green and pink are Ottoman regions(pink is what the author defines as Macedonia)


You can call it Republic of North Macedonia then,since it's near 37% of Geographical Macedonia.
Exactly why should we be named according to your choice of nomenclature(read East- Central- and West) we are the only republic, do your parts constitute Republics on there own as well? If so then we will name ourselves accordingly, otherwise we are fine as it is.
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Old 12-13-2008, 11:47 PM   #28
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Well ok..but you ll stay out of EU and NATO forever.

I hope so.

NATO will eventually break up or morph into something else.

Ireland is a perfect example of how amazingly prosperous a State can be - so close to Europe, and NOT be a part of the E.U>

The E.U dangle money in front of state to try and get them to reliquish some of their sovereignty to foriegn control.

The Macedonians will eventually wake up to this.
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I hope so.

NATO will eventually break up or morph into something else.

Ireland is a perfect example of how amazingly prosperous a State can be - so close to Europe, and NOT be a part of the E.U>
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Pelister, Ireland is a part of the EU, Norway and Switzerland are not, one has oil the other banks.
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