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Old 07-01-2011, 03:11 AM   #361
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In Turkey nobody questions your background, there are many Turks with Albanian or Macedonian roots in Turkey, these people are just Turks because they only speak 1 language and live one culture.
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Old 07-01-2011, 02:32 PM   #362
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In Turkey nobody questions your background, there are many Turks with Albanian or Macedonian roots in Turkey, these people are just Turks because they only speak 1 language and live one culture.
like in the vast majority of other countries....
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Old 07-03-2011, 12:21 AM   #363
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In Turkey nobody questions your background, there are many Turks with Albanian or Macedonian roots in Turkey, these people are just Turks because they only speak 1 language and live one culture.
Replace the term 'Turk' with 'Greek', and that sounds like something an ignorant Greek would say If you think all Turkish citizens of Macedonian, Albanian or whatever descent speak only 1 language (Turkish), or that people in Turkey don't raise the matter of ethnic background during conversations and discussions, then you're either naive or you're being deliberately misleading. By the way, the above doesn't quite gel with what you said on the other thread http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum...ead.php?t=2448 (in which you addressed a post to yourself, an action that raised the question over whether or not you are the same user as Voltron):
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Turkey is a melting pot of cultures and peoples, nobody is pure......
Do you remember writing that? Or was that somebody else?
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Onur, I have copied and pasted your post from this thread: http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum...?t=6557&page=2

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I found this one from google. Ataturk wrote this poem in 1905;

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BEŞİKE HÂDİSESİ İÇİN
Çıkıyor gönüllere istimdadı
Sâmiamda vatanın feryâdı
Çıkıyor gönüllere istimdadı
Yaralı bir ananın evlâdı
Etmesin mi anaya imdadı?

Rumeli can veriyor yok mu ilaç.
Edelim sıhhatini istimzaç;
Etmeyelim kimseyi izaç?

Zırhlılar her yeri tehidt ediyor,
Makedonya bunu tes'it ediyor.
İnkırazı bize teyit ediyor.


Yemenin purişi malumu cihan
Ne için eyledi millet isyân?
Zulme ister mi bu yoldan burhan
Turuşkalar bile aldı meydan

Hani kânun-u adaâlet nerede?
Mülk-ü millette himâye saadet nerede?
Haricen mülk-ü himaye nerede?
Bizde evvelki şecaat nerede?

Gelse Ertuğrul şöhret-i pervas
Eder elbette tahayyür ibraz
Vatanın feyzine kâdir olamaz
Yeniden fethine verseydi cevâz...

Yıldırım görse şu ahvâlimizi
Ateş kahrı yakar hâlimizi,
Af eder mi bizim efâlimizi,
Mahveder cumle-i emsâlimizi,

Ey büyük Fâtih'i İstanbul'un...
Bu revş olmadı mı makbulün
Sây ile toplanılan mahsulün
Berhava oldu fakat meçhulün...

Yazık oldu Vatana âh yazık...
Her ağızdan çıkıyor: Eyvâh yazık!..
Acısın bizlere, âh yazık!


MUSTAFA KEMAL
· Sinop 25 Kânunu Evvel 321 (1905)

http://guldeste.blogcu.com/mustafa-k...-siirler/63163

Green colored verses;
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Rumelia is dying, perishing with it`s soul, there is no remedy?
Lets mend it`s welfare
and do not dishonor anyone.

Armored panzers are crushing and crumbling everywhere
and Macedonia is cheering for that,
but it`s decadence and dissolution day by day, gives us the power of resistance.

*****
*****

Our motherland is becoming ruined and spoiled
And everyone says; Alas!, too bad.
(God) mercy to us, oh, what a shame!
In 1905, Rumelia only means Macedonia and Thrace because other parts were already separated from Ottoman empire earlier than that. He is talking about armored panzers and dissolution, so he meant Macedonia at that time, not Thrace. Probably he wrote Rumelia at first and then Macedonia for more vocabulary variety in the poem.

While he says "motherland" in the last verse, he meant Macedonia again, not Anatolia.
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