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  • tchaiku
    Member
    • Nov 2016
    • 786

    #16
    Originally posted by Amphipolis View Post
    We meant Greater, not... Greatest. Samaras indeed believed we can handle the short and long-term effects. That's not the problem.

    The thing is that Greece would not participate in such events; Greece can not really trigger them or control the outcome; we can only tolerate them and hope for the best.
    Albanian nationalists do not claim the entire land though. So it still wont help you.

    Not that I care about your concerns anyway.

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    • Carlin
      Senior Member
      • Dec 2011
      • 3332

      #17
      Update from Greek protothema.

      Katsifas’ case: Albanian authorities try to cover-up forensic evidence (video)

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      Everything that could shed light through the forensic examination by a Greek coroner on the circumstances behind the death of the 35-year-old Constantine Katsifas has been wiped out by the Albanian authorities.

      The Greek coroner Mr. Vougkouklakis was allowed to see the body of Constantine Katsifa for just five minutes. All he managed to do is see that the wounds were sewed up and the body was washed.

      These two movements have eliminated important evidence that the coroner could identify. This was announced by the lawyer of the Katsifas family, Konstantinos Giovanopoulos.

      According to Giovanopoulos, the body has two wounds on the chest right on the heart. Konstantinos Katsifas does not seem to have been shot point blank, however, the wounds are stitched and the body is washed.

      “We were allowed to see the body for only five minutes”, Giovanopoulos said, and in response to a question, he said he said that there are no injuries on Katsifas’ legs, which would indicate that the Albanian police would had made an effort to immobilize him and arrest him instead of killing him.

      These findings come after the efforts of the Albanian authorities to avoid the examination of the body by a Greek forensic doctor, as the Katsifas family demanded from the beginning. It took a diplomatic intervention to allow the Greek coroner to examine the body, but the Albanian authorities practically made this impossible since they made sure all the forensic evidence were destroyed.

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      • Albo
        Member
        • May 2014
        • 304

        #18
        This guy came to Albania from Greece... ARMED.. Provoked a situation (some say his plan was to open and fly not the Greek flag , which can be seen all over Albania) but the flag of the so called "Vorio Epiros" or northern Epirus,

        When police approached him.. He shot at them.. WHAT HAPPENS TO PEOPLE WHO SHOOT AT POLICE ANYWHERE ON THE WORLD? THEY GET SHOT BACK AT FULL STOP...

        He has history and links with golden dawn and other radical Greek groups.. and had also received military training in greece..

        Just take a look at his fb profile and you will see what kind of mentality he had:


        Katsifas Konstantinos is on Facebook. Join Facebook to connect with Katsifas Konstantinos and others you may know. Facebook gives people the power to share and makes the world more open and connected.

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        • Phoenix
          Senior Member
          • Dec 2008
          • 4671

          #19
          Originally posted by Albo View Post
          This guy came to Albania from Greece... ARMED.. Provoked a situation (some say his plan was to open and fly not the Greek flag , which can be seen all over Albania) but the flag of the so called "Vorio Epiros" or northern Epirus,

          When police approached him.. He shot at them.. WHAT HAPPENS TO PEOPLE WHO SHOOT AT POLICE ANYWHERE ON THE WORLD? THEY GET SHOT BACK AT FULL STOP...

          He has history and links with golden dawn and other radical Greek groups.. and had also received military training in greece..

          Just take a look at his fb profile and you will see what kind of mentality he had:


          https://www.facebook.com/kostas.katsifas.14
          You're a hypocrite...

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          • vicsinad
            Senior Member
            • May 2011
            • 2337

            #20
            Originally posted by Albo View Post
            This guy came to Albania from Greece... ARMED.. Provoked a situation (some say his plan was to open and fly not the Greek flag , which can be seen all over Albania) but the flag of the so called "Vorio Epiros" or northern Epirus,

            When police approached him.. He shot at them.. WHAT HAPPENS TO PEOPLE WHO SHOOT AT POLICE ANYWHERE ON THE WORLD? THEY GET SHOT BACK AT FULL STOP...

            He has history and links with golden dawn and other radical Greek groups.. and had also received military training in greece..

            Just take a look at his fb profile and you will see what kind of mentality he had:


            https://www.facebook.com/kostas.katsifas.14
            So, when KLA members invade Macedonia with weapons terrorizing the population and get shot at for doing so, what do you call that?

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            • Carlin
              Senior Member
              • Dec 2011
              • 3332

              #21
              The Albanian government are afraid that Katsifas’ funeral will turn into a demonstration of the Greek minority against the Albanian authorities.



              Albo or tchaiku, what is Albanian media reporting in the last few days?
              Last edited by Carlin; 11-02-2018, 10:54 PM.

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              • Albo
                Member
                • May 2014
                • 304

                #22
                Originally posted by vicsinad View Post
                So, when KLA members invade Macedonia with weapons terrorizing the population and get shot at for doing so, what do you call that?
                Obviously when your armed then invade or rebel against any state you do so knowing that you will be a target and will be shot at!!

                That's the risk one takes when involved in such acts.. do you think the KLA didn't expect to be shot at? Do you think that they thought they should have been shot in the leg first?

                The risk is known when undergoing such actions... full stop!

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                • Liberator of Makedonija
                  Senior Member
                  • Apr 2014
                  • 1595

                  #23
                  [QUOTE=Albo;177614]Obviously when your armed then invade or rebel against any state you do so knowing that you will be a target and will be shot at!!

                  That's the risk one takes when involved in such acts.. do you think the KLA didn't expect to be shot at? Do you think that they thought they should have been shot in the leg first?

                  I think the real question is do you think this man is any different to the KLA/UCK?
                  I know of two tragic histories in the world- that of Ireland, and that of Macedonia. Both of them have been deprived and tormented.

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                  • Carlin
                    Senior Member
                    • Dec 2011
                    • 3332

                    #24
                    Albania defends seizure of minority properties

                    Albania has defended a controversial decision to confiscate property belonging to ethnic Greek families in the south of the country.

                    On Tuesday, the Greek Foreign Ministry urged Tirana to annul the decision, which also involves the sale of minority property with an eye on tourism development, calling it a violation of the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR).

                    In a statement Thursday, Albania’s Foreign Ministry expressed regret over Athens’s reaction, saying it was triggered by “distorted facts.”

                    “Albania, as a European state and a member of the European Convention of Human Rights, recognizes the jurisdiction of the Strasbourg-based court and enforces its rulings,” it said.

                    “Citizens who feel that their property rights are being violated have the right to resort to the competent European courts,” it said.

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                    Albania has defended a controversial decision to confiscate property belonging to ethnic Greek families in the south of the country.

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                    • Liberator of Makedonija
                      Senior Member
                      • Apr 2014
                      • 1595

                      #25
                      Self-declared Republic of Chameria issues passports, read something of a local paramilitary forming as well.

                      I know of two tragic histories in the world- that of Ireland, and that of Macedonia. Both of them have been deprived and tormented.

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                      • Carlin
                        Senior Member
                        • Dec 2011
                        • 3332

                        #26
                        Above seems to be from the following site:


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                        Cham issue, Pavlopoulos threatens Albania’s EU membership

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                        Greek President Prokopis Pavlopoulos threatens the discussion on the Cham issue in negotiations with Greece could endanger Albania’s EU membership. For the Greek president, the Cham issue does not exist, and the position of the Albanian government on this issue is unacceptable. “It is unacceptable that the leaders of the Albanian state raise in this […]


                        Greek President Prokopis Pavlopoulos threatens the discussion on the Cham issue in negotiations with Greece could endanger Albania’s EU membership. For the Greek president, the Cham issue does not exist, and the position of the Albanian government on this issue is unacceptable.

                        “It is unacceptable that the leaders of the Albanian state raise in this moment on the Cham issue. Apart from the fact that it does not exist, it is good for Albania not to recall the significance of the history of so-called “Cham” during the Nazi atrocities in Greece if it wants to have a European perspective”.

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                        • Phoenix
                          Senior Member
                          • Dec 2008
                          • 4671

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Carlin15 View Post
                          ...For the Greek president, the Cham issue does not exist, and the position of the Albanian government on this issue is unacceptable.

                          “It is unacceptable that the leaders of the Albanian state raise in this moment on the Cham issue. Apart from the fact that it does not exist, it is good for Albania not to recall the significance of the history of so-called “Cham” during the Nazi atrocities in Greece if it wants to have a European perspective”.
                          Apparently no ethnic issues 'exist' in the minds of greek politicians...and if they do, they just threaten with a veto...sooner or later, it's going to catch up with them...

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                          • Carlin
                            Senior Member
                            • Dec 2011
                            • 3332

                            #28
                            Originally posted by Phoenix View Post
                            Apparently no ethnic issues 'exist' in the minds of greek politicians...and if they do, they just threaten with a veto...sooner or later, it's going to catch up with them...
                            It might catch up with them but they will exercise a veto against anyone they see fit (EU and NATO). This is also a "warning shot" perhaps, but if things escalate Greece will veto Albania's accession into EU.

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                            • Carlin
                              Senior Member
                              • Dec 2011
                              • 3332

                              #29
                              Идризи му одгорови на Павлопулос: Сенилен старецу, ова е век на Албанците

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                              Лидерот на партијата за правда, интеграција и единство (ПДИУ) на Шпетим Идризи, која е попозната како „партија на Чамите”, реагираше на изјавата на грчкиот претседател Прокопис Павлопулос, порачувајќи му дека „ова е век на Албанците”.

                              - Со многу жалење, воопшто не изненаден, ја следев и денешната непромислена и арогатна изјава на овој сенилен старец, претседателот на Грција, кој во континуитет и се заканува на Албанија со европската интеграција преку прашањето за Чамите. Овој сенилен старец постојано го навредува сеќавањето за илјадници Албанци од Чамарија масакрирани во нивните домови и илјадници други кои биле насилно протерани од бандите на Наполон Зервес. Овој сенилен старец, е најголем претставник на грчките шовинистички кругови и на Златна зора, кои се во грчкиот парламент, но и на оние кои го масакрираа грчките партизани со планината Грамоз,-обвини Идризи.

                              Посочува дека минатиот век ги погодил Албанците со историските неправди со парчосување на албанските територии во 1913 година и му порачува да биде сигурен дека „ова е век на Албанците”.

                              - Но,најтежок е молкот на албанските власти, министерот за надворешни работи, премиерот, претседателот на Албанија, кои не му одговараат на овој шовинистички претседател кој и се заканува на Албанија за прашањето на Чамите,а што е нивна обврска која произлегува од Уставот, Резолуцијата на албанскиот Парламент за Чамите, на националниот реципроцитет и достоинство,-изјави Идризи.

                              Шефот на грчката држава, Павлопулос за време на престојот во Црна Гора изјави дека непочитувањето на грчкото малцинство и тврдењата за постоењето и правата на Чамите (протерани Албанци од областа Чамарија) се две непремостливи пречки за Албанија во ЕУ. Тој за Чамите рече дека биле „безмилосни нацистички соработници”.

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                              • Carlin
                                Senior Member
                                • Dec 2011
                                • 3332

                                #30
                                Greek FM raps Tirana after removal of bilingual signposts

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                                Foreign Minister Giorgos Katrougalos on Monday warned that Greece will take legal recourse if the interests of ethnic Greeks in Albania are in “any way” compromised.


                                Foreign Minister Giorgos Katrougalos on Monday warned that Greece will take legal recourse if the interests of ethnic Greeks in Albania are in “any way” compromised, following a decision by Albanian authorities to remove bilingual signposts from ethnic Greek villages in the area of Finiki.

                                Katrougalos also said he has received “reassurances” from Tirana over the issue of properties belonging to ethnic Greeks in the Himara region, after the government in April agreed to remove a clause in its gazette allowing for their seizure as part of an urban rejuvenation project.

                                He added that one of the criteria for Albania’s accession to the European Union, “which Greece supports,” is the protection of minority rights.

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