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Old 06-21-2019, 03:19 PM   #1
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Will the Northerners declare GD Bulgarian for the sake of EU membership.

https://sitel.com.mk/zaev-mu-odgovor...edno-da-zreeme
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Old 06-21-2019, 03:31 PM   #2
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Bravo Kate Mori Kate:

Zaharieva: Goce Delcev was a Bulgarian, and if no agreement is reached we will end our work with “North Macedonia”

https://english.republika.mk/news/ma...rth-macedonia/
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Old 06-21-2019, 05:00 PM   #3
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This is how shallow Macedonians' logic is. Pendarovski says Goce Delcev is a red line and his legacy can't be negotiated. But what about the reasons we celebrate Goce Delcev? Practically all of those have been negotiated away, eg. our name, identity, dignity, cultuer, and so forth.

Pendarovski is afraid of losing votes and that's it. Thank Macedonia's lucky stars SDS is composed of socialists, Yugo fanatics and Srbomani. Otherwise Zaev and Dimitrov would've sold Delcev to the Bulgarians by now.
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Old 06-21-2019, 09:16 PM   #4
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Pendarovski: Delchev declared himself a Bulgarian and fought for an independent Macedonian state

Source: https://www.slobodnaevropa.mk/a/30013271.html
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Old 06-21-2019, 09:18 PM   #5
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That's a misleading headline. The article says this:

Тој во интервјуто изјави дека проблемот со дебатата за Гоце Делчев ќе стане политички проблем, ако продолжи ваквиот пристап на бугарската страна и дека Гоце Делчев се декларирал за Бугарин и во исто време се борел за самостојна македонска држава.
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Old 06-21-2019, 09:49 PM   #6
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That's a misleading headline. The article says this:

Тој во интервјуто изјави дека проблемот со дебатата за Гоце Делчев ќе стане политички проблем, ако продолжи ваквиот пристап на бугарската страна и дека Гоце Делчев се декларирал за Бугарин и во исто време се борел за самостојна македонска држава.
The Bulgarian media is coming up with even more misleading headlines

Macedonian President: Gotse Delchev is Bulgarian


Source: http://bnr.bg/post/101135356/makedon...qFuU9PNgqJvRFI

But this is their quote:

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„Гоце Делчев се е борел за автономия на Македония, за независима държава, та дори в края на живота си прави завещание неговите кости да почиват в независима македонска държава. С една дума, както казват някои политици: истината и само истината - така да бъде. Безспорна историческа истина е, че той се е определял като българин. Безспорна историческа истина е фактът, че се е борел за македонска държава. Ето я формулировката, дайте да я подпишем и да не създаваме проблеми там, където не трябва да има. Ние като държава не може да преглътнем тезата, че през 1944 г. сме се събудили една сутрин като македонци. Дайте оттук нататък да разговаряме, защото този политически подход няма да ни доведе до никъде“, казва още Пендаровски.
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Old 06-21-2019, 10:02 PM   #7
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A few relevant videos/debates on this topic if anyone is interested:

Виктор Канзуров и Тодор Петров во Само Вистина 21.6.2019 1 дел
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EToxkwHiMb0

Виктор Канзуров и Тодор Петров во Само Вистина 21.6.2019 2 дел
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjPqzUcD3Eg

Тема: Гоце Делчев различно димензиониран од македонската и бугарската комисија
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nt_6la_ZR48

24 Отворено - Што стои зад бугарскиот обид за проблематизирање на историјата?
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That's a misleading headline. The article says this:

Тој во интервјуто изјави дека проблемот со дебатата за Гоце Делчев ќе стане политички проблем, ако продолжи ваквиот пристап на бугарската страна и дека Гоце Делчев се декларирал за Бугарин и во исто време се борел за самостојна македонска држава.
The Balkans don't have journalism, only tabloids that pretend to be news outlets.

Remember all the way back when warned people that as soon as we capitulate to Greece that Bulgaria will be next in line? Yeah it took a whole few months for that to happen.

Personally for me this is worse. Antiquity, although important, is still antiquity. The bulgars are going after the people who founded our modern nation. The people who make up our modern identity. If you walk away from Delcev and others like him, what is left? At that point you are starting an identity from scratch in 2019.

If you let the Bulgars push you around you have really hit rock bottom.
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Old 06-22-2019, 02:27 AM   #9
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I'd say the new identity started around 1995.
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Old 06-22-2019, 04:50 AM   #10
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Pendarovski says Goce Delcev is a red line and his legacy can't be negotiated.
That's priceless. He must've forgotten that he and his fellow traitors already accepted an agreement which specifically refers to their "history" as "distinctly different" from the area where Delcev was born. They already gave up his soul to Greece. Now all that is left is to give his body to Bulgaria.
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Pendarovski is afraid of losing votes and that's it. Thank Macedonia's lucky stars SDS is composed of socialists, Yugo fanatics and Srbomani.
Yugo fanatics and srbomani couldn't care less about Delcev. I don't think they're what's holding back him and the other two morons you mentioned.
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