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Old 12-19-2008, 05:37 PM   #11
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Can you answer the question?
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Old 12-19-2008, 06:56 PM   #12
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Can you answer the question?
Can you define me what you mean by ethnic Greek?

If you don't mean nonsense about pure blood straight to antiquity-which i m afraid you mean-and you mean natives (not immigrants) who have a Greek consiousness and speak Greek
....then it's the total of the Greek citizens minus the Muslim minority of Thrace (some 110.000,of whom -50% ethnic Turks,-35% Pomaks,15% Muslim Gypsies) ,minus Armenians (30.000) and Jews (some 5000) ,ethnic Macedonians (more than 10.000 /Helsinki Monitor says 10-30.000) ,minus Gypsies -some 200.000.
I guess some minor ethnicities too.

So r u satisfied ?
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Old 12-19-2008, 09:46 PM   #13
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So how much % in the total population does that make, 97%? 96%? 95%?

AND HOW DO YOU COME TO THESE FIGURES IF GREECE HAS NEVER DONE A CENSUS BASED ETHNICITY AND LANGUAGE?

WHO HAS GIVEN YOU THE RIGHT TO DECLARE ON BEHALF OF THESE PEOPLE?

Show me where I equate the self-promotion of ethnically pure with 'pure blood' or any such nonsense, put your copy of Mien Kampf down for a second, the Germans have left already.
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Old 12-20-2008, 04:09 AM   #14
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So how much % in the total population does that make, 97%? 96%? 95%?

AND HOW DO YOU COME TO THESE FIGURES IF GREECE HAS NEVER DONE A CENSUS BASED ETHNICITY AND LANGUAGE?

WHO HAS GIVEN YOU THE RIGHT TO DECLARE ON BEHALF OF THESE PEOPLE?
You asked abt my estimation-which is based on data coming of several organizations-not by a national census.

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Show me where I equate the self-promotion of ethnically pure with 'pure blood' or any such nonsense, put your copy of Mien Kampf down for a second, the Germans have left already.
When you question the ethnic identity of someone whose family- since his great grandfathers before 200 years -self identified as Greeks.
This is ...let's see....ALWAYS and EVERYWHERE!

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Old 12-20-2008, 05:13 AM   #15
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What's the point of your question....to "reveal" how many Greeks descent from assimilated Vlachs or Arvanites ??
Well that would be impossible and much more useless.

Impossible because this assimilation process started before 200 or more years and it is already completed.So someone who has one grandma who spoke Vlahic apart from Greek..is not an ethnic Greek?

And were would you put the line of "ethnic purity"..i mean 100,200,500,2000 years before?
I'll put it 1000 years ago,when first ariveals started,that is no such far away,if evry body lives for 60 years,it is about 10 generations,or les...that is not much for total assimilation.Turks couldnt do it in 500 years, so how could others before them,there was no schools,books....
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You asked abt my estimation-which is based on data coming of several organizations........
Which organisations my friend? Do share, I would like to assess their objectivity

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When you question the ethnic identity of someone whose family- since his great grandfathers before 200 years -self identified as Greeks
Uh huh, there goes that confusion of yours again. Show me examples of where, 200 years ago (which would make it 1808 to be exact), several commoners in Morea refer to themselves by the name of 'Greek' or 'Hellene'?

Show me examples of the same prior to this time also.

Commoners referring to themselves as 'Greek' or 'Hellene' in early 1800's Morea? Lol. Perhaps you are again confusing these terms with the name of the 'Romans', you know, the name most Ottoman Christians used during that time due to their affiliation with the Patriarchate of Constantinople?
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Uh huh, there goes that confusion of yours again. Show me examples of where, 200 years ago (which would make it 1808 to be exact), several commoners in Morea refer to themselves by the name of 'Greek' or 'Hellene'?

Show me examples of the same prior to this time also.

Commoners referring to themselves as 'Greek' or 'Hellene' in early 1800's Morea? Lol. Perhaps you are again confusing these terms with the name of the 'Romans', you know, the name most Ottoman Christians used during that time due to their affiliation with the Patriarchate of Constantinople?

...."Romans" you mentioned are not some aliens.
They are the Greek speaking Orthodox christians.
Period.
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Old 12-20-2008, 06:29 AM   #18
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WRONG! They are not only a minority of Greek-speakers, they are also in majority Slavic-speakers, Vlach-speakers, Albanian-speakers and Turkish-speakers, DURING THAT PERIOD. Period.
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WRONG! They are not only a minority of Greek-speakers, they are also in majority Slavic-speakers, Vlach-speakers, Albanian-speakers and Turkish-speakers, DURING THAT PERIOD. Period.
This is the seal of Skanderbeg-Georg Kastriotes.Now kept in Denmark.




ΒΑΣΙΛΕΥΣ.ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ.ΕΛΕΩ.ΘΥ. ΑΥΤ.ΡΩΜ.ΟΜΕΓ. ΑΥΘ.ΤΟΥΡ.ΑΛΒ. ΣΕΡΒΙ.ΒΟΥΛΓΑΡΙ.

Several words are abbreviated: King. Alexander. By the grace of God. Emperor of the Romans,the Great, Ruler of the Turks. Albanians. Serbs. Bulgarians.

Hm....I can see the people of the Balkans...
Greeks,Turks,Albanians,Serbs,Bulgarians.
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Old 12-20-2008, 07:09 PM   #20
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This is the seal of Skanderbeg-Georg Kastriotes.Now kept in Denmark.




ΒΑΣΙΛΕΥΣ.ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ.ΕΛΕΩ.ΘΥ. ΑΥΤ.ΡΩΜ.ΟΜΕΓ. ΑΥΘ.ΤΟΥΡ.ΑΛΒ. ΣΕΡΒΙ.ΒΟΥΛΓΑΡΙ.

Several words are abbreviated: King. Alexander. By the grace of God. Emperor of the Romans,the Great, Ruler of the Turks. Albanians. Serbs. Bulgarians.

Hm....I can see the people of the Balkans...
Greeks,Turks,Albanians,Serbs,Bulgarians.
Greeks? Where did you read that?
Romans, yes, Greeks, no.
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