Sarakatsani...more modern 'Greeks' with Turkish origins

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  • Carlin
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2011
    • 3332

    #16
    Originally posted by Liberator of Makedonija View Post
    How would you define and distinguish Arvanitovlachs and Ablianite Vlachs?
    Ablianite Vlachs are natives of Evrytania, while the Arvanitovlachs (or Albanian Vlachs) are originally from Albania & Epirus.

    Location of Evrytania region:
    Last edited by Carlin; 10-14-2018, 11:06 PM.

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    • Liberator of Makedonija
      Senior Member
      • Apr 2014
      • 1595

      #17
      Originally posted by Carlin15 View Post
      Ablianite Vlachs are natives of Evrytania, while the Arvanitovlachs (or Albanian Vlachs) are originally from Albania & Epirus.

      Location of Evrytania region:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evrytania
      What exactly is an Ablianite Vlach?
      I know of two tragic histories in the world- that of Ireland, and that of Macedonia. Both of them have been deprived and tormented.

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      • Carlin
        Senior Member
        • Dec 2011
        • 3332

        #18
        Originally posted by Liberator of Makedonija View Post
        What exactly is an Ablianite Vlach?
        The semi-nomadic inhabitants of the village of Stavropiyi in Evrytania (known as ‘Ablianite Vlachs’, from the old name of the village, Abliani) were descended from them. By the beginning of the twentieth century, the Ablianites appear to have been exclusively Greek-speaking, with no memory of having known or used Vlach language previously.

        (They may or may not have been related to the Arvanitovlachs. The screenshots above distinguish the two groups.)

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        • Liberator of Makedonija
          Senior Member
          • Apr 2014
          • 1595

          #19
          Originally posted by Carlin15 View Post
          The semi-nomadic inhabitants of the village of Stavropiyi in Evrytania (known as ‘Ablianite Vlachs’, from the old name of the village, Abliani) were descended from them. By the beginning of the twentieth century, the Ablianites appear to have been exclusively Greek-speaking, with no memory of having known or used Vlach language previously.

          (They may or may not have been related to the Arvanitovlachs. The screenshots above distinguish the two groups.)
          Interesting, thanks. So many of these little tribal groups.
          I know of two tragic histories in the world- that of Ireland, and that of Macedonia. Both of them have been deprived and tormented.

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          • Liberator of Makedonija
            Senior Member
            • Apr 2014
            • 1595

            #20
            From The Little Book of Greek Lies by Risto Stefov

            I know of two tragic histories in the world- that of Ireland, and that of Macedonia. Both of them have been deprived and tormented.

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            • Carlin
              Senior Member
              • Dec 2011
              • 3332

              #21
              "We started off by trying to identify different groupings among the nomads. Christos Berates was himself of the Karagouni (Arvanito-Vlachs), and even he found it difficult to draw the distinctions in dress between his people and the Sarakatsani and the Koutso-Vlachs... He recognized, of course, the linguistic differences and pointed out that the Koutso-Vlachs do not know Albanian the way his people do."

              — from Irwin T. Sanders, Rainbow in the Rock: The People of Rural Greece (Cambridge, Mass., 1962).

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