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Old 05-04-2017, 11:22 PM   #1
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Default Roger Casement: Fact or Fiction?

Some of you may be aware that I am not only Macedonian, but I am also Irish. As such, I got quite the shock when I discovered the famous quote by Roger Casement; 'I know of two tragic histories in the world- that of Ireland, and that of Macedonia. Both of them have been deprived and tormented'. Apparently spoken before being hung by the British for his role in the Easter Rising of 1916. This is something that obviously gets-to-me in a very personal way and I am looking for clarification of its authenticity. If anyone has any evidence of this being said, please provide it!
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Its true, he said that. Try and search the forum, I'm certain I've seen a source here somewhere.

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Some of you may be aware that I am not only Macedonian, but I am also Irish. As such, I got quite the shock when I discovered the famous quote by Roger Casement; 'I know of two tragic histories in the world- that of Ireland, and that of Macedonia. Both of them have been deprived and tormented'. Apparently spoken before being hung by the British for his role in the Easter Rising of 1916. This is something that obviously gets-to-me in a very personal way and I am looking for clarification of its authenticity. If anyone has any evidence of this being said, please provide it!
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Its true, he said that. Try and search the forum, I'm certain I've seen a source here somewhere.
Problem with searching the forum is that the search bar doesn't work
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From the book “Macedonia and Greece: The Struggle to Define a New Balkan Nation” by John Shea, 1997, page 8.
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From the book “Macedonia and Greece: The Struggle to Define a New Balkan Nation” by John Shea, 1997, page 8.
That's how I found out about the quote, I started reading the book last night but John Shea doesn't state where he got that information from.
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There's also this...

"...The moral failure of Turkey, her inability to govern her Christian peoples is only the pretext: but just as the moral argument brings its strange revenges and shows an Ireland that has suffered all that Macedonia has suffered, and this at the hands of Christians, and not of Moslems, so the triumph of the Balkan Allies, far from benefiting Britain, must, in the end, react to her detriment..."

The Crime Against Europe - A Possible Outcome of the War of 1914

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Then it will take some digging on your part

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That's how I found out about the quote, I started reading the book last night but John Shea doesn't state where he got that information from.
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Unfortunately I have found nothing.
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The earliest reference to that quote I can find on the internet comes from "Macedonian Review: Volume 16-17" published in 1986 by "Kulturen Zhivot". The quote is on page 252 in that book, and offers a citation (citation 56) but I don't have access to the citations page.

https://books.google.com/books?id=ey...ylDw8Q6AEIKDAB
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Mozok si.

Well Liberator, I think you have a good place to start.

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The earliest reference to that quote I can find on the internet comes from "Macedonian Review: Volume 16-17" published in 1986 by "Kulturen Zhivot". The quote is on page 252 in that book, and offers a citation (citation 56) but I don't have access to the citations page.

https://books.google.com/books?id=ey...ylDw8Q6AEIKDAB
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