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  • George S.
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2009
    • 10116

    Conflicts in the Middle East & Northern Africa

    Britain secretly negotiating a successor to Gaddafi

    As a possible successor to the Libyan leader referred to the general Obaidi, a former interior minister and head of special forces, writes The Daily Telegraph

    London maintained secret contacts with former senior officials of Libya, seeking to find a successor to Colonel Muammar Gaddafi, says the Daily Telegraph.

    London newspaper said one of the people with whom to discuss a successor to Gaddafi in the aftermath of overthrowing the current Libyan leader, who 42 years run the country, is the general Obaidi, a former interior minister and head of the Libyan special forces. According to the Daily Telegraph, British officials believe Obaidi is the one with which London could be agreed to cooperate after the overthrow of Gadhafi and the transition of the country.
    Writings of the Daily Telegraph, a newspaper close to the ruling British torievci come after the statement of President Barack Obama, who first publicly asked Gaddafi to leave Libya, because he lost the legitimacy to govern the North African country and after revelations that British Prime Minister David Cameron first asked the question to introduce the no-fly zone. The international community has supported this idea only as a final alternative, if continued air attacks on civilians in the Libyan cities, as the Pentagon believes that zone should be established for the air strikes against the forces of Gaddafi and the destruction of their defense.

    Last attempts to overthrow the regime of Gaddafi had in the 1980s, after the bombing of Tripoli and the house that were believed to live Libyan leader on the night between 14 and 15 April 1986 by U.S. military aircraft. The then U.S. president Ronald Reagan and British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher accused Gadhafi of sponsoring international terrorism.

    Meanwhile, forces loyal to the Libyan leader continued air strikes on rebel territory in eastern Libya. The attacks came as rebel forces from an eastern village, located 280 km from the main opposition stronghold of Benghazi, went westward to protect cities and Adzhadabija Beach. Qatar Al Jazeera TV reported that fierce fighting and artillery fire were observed near the eastern port of Las Ranuf, which is an important strategic center for oil exports, and AZ-howling, 50 km from Tripoli.

    Saif el-Islam Gadhafi, one of the sons of Libyan leader said that the purpose of bombing the port city beach was scaring the rebels there.

    - Bombs was only to intimidate and force the rebels to leave - Islam Gaddafi stressed, adding that the regime will do everything to prevent beach, the key city of the Libyan oil and gas industry to fall into the hands of insurgents.

    Link:http://www.haaretz.com/news/internat...ebels-1.347470
    Last edited by George S.; 03-07-2011, 09:50 PM.
    "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
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  • Frank
    Banned
    • Mar 2010
    • 687

    #2
    Gaddafi has support by certain World Statesman and a ready Air Force and Military with ties and supply links to Former Soviet States
    he isn't going anywhere

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    • Onur
      Senior Member
      • Apr 2010
      • 2389

      #3
      A new video has been aired in Libyan tv. It`s a "secret" conversation between UK`s Tripoli ambassador Richard Northern and a spokesman for Libyan former justice minister Mostafa Abdel Jalil.

      Apparently, UK secretly sent a team of SAS commandos to the Libya. As soon as they land on the area controlled by rebels, Libyan rebels who were coincidentally in the same area, arrests the SAS soldiers and confiscate the British helicopter and their weapons. UK`s ambassador calls the the Libyan leader and literally begs to him for releasing British soldiers, LOL

      YouTube - 'UK Ambassador' Conversation Broadcast On Libyan State TV


      According to the reports, Libyan rebels refuses any foreign involvement to Libya and they said that they wont release British soldiers and they will regard any foreign soldiers as an hostile to their cause.

      It`s so funny to see how low the supposedly "great powers" can get in the name of oil money. Btw what kind of commandos are they? How come they surrender to the few rebels? Whatta failure, lol
      Last edited by Onur; 03-07-2011, 08:22 AM.

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      • Frank
        Banned
        • Mar 2010
        • 687

        #4
        Whilst Uncle Sam has asked its alley Saudi Arabia who's entire Royal Family all have links and ties with Terrorists around the World, to aid them in secretly supplying (I will use the term losly Rebels) arms shipments

        The same strategy they have used for decades around the World
        Last edited by Frank; 03-07-2011, 09:08 AM.

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        • Frank
          Banned
          • Mar 2010
          • 687

          #5
          How come they surrender to the few rebels? Whatta failure, lol
          It is a shame a real shame they were not killed, another Internet leaked beheading video would have done wonders for sending the message to the Powers to stop taking it in their rights to take the Sovereignty of other States.

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          • Risto the Great
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2008
            • 15658

            #6
            Originally posted by Onur View Post
            A new video has been aired in Libyan tv. It`s a "secret" conversation between UK`s Tripoli ambassador Richard Northern and a spokesman for Libyan former justice minister Mostafa Abdel Jalil.

            Apparently, UK secretly sent a team of SAS commandos to the Libya. As soon as they land on the area controlled by rebels, Libyan rebels who were coincidentally in the same area, arrests the SAS soldiers and confiscate the British helicopter and their weapons. UK`s ambassador calls the the Libyan leader and literally begs to him for releasing British soldiers, LOL

            According to the reports, Libyan rebels refuses any foreign involvement to Libya and they said that they wont release British soldiers and they will regard any foreign soldiers as an hostile to their cause.

            It`s so funny to see how low the supposedly "great powers" can get in the name of oil money. Btw what kind of commandos are they? How come they surrender to the few rebels? Whatta failure, lol
            Just like most politics, we may never really know the truth. Perhaps this was the only way the UK could supply the rebels with weapons without overtly looking like they were supporting the rebels. Everyone playing games.
            Risto the Great
            MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
            "Holding my breath for the revolution."

            Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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            • DirtyCodingHabitz
              Member
              • Sep 2010
              • 835

              #7
              Whilst Uncle Sam has asked its alley Saudi Arabia who's entire Royal Family all have links and ties with Terrorists around the World
              And who might these terrorists be? read this bellow, moron.

              Shortly before his untimely death, former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook told the House of Commons that "Al Qaeda" is not really a terrorist group but a database of international mujaheddin and arms smugglers used by the CIA and Saudis to funnel guerrillas, arms, and money into Soviet-occupied Afghanistan. Courtesy of World Affairs, a journal based in New Delhi, WMR can bring you an important excerpt from an Apr.-Jun. 2004 article by Pierre-Henry Bunel, a former agent for French military intelligence.

              "I first heard about Al-Qaida while I was attending the Command and Staff course in Jordan. I was a French officer at that time and the French Armed Forces had close contacts and cooperation with Jordan . . .

              "Two of my Jordanian colleagues were experts in computers. They were air defense officers. Using computer science slang, they introduced a series of jokes about students' punishment.

              "For example, when one of us was late at the bus stop to leave the Staff College, the two officers used to tell us: 'You'll be noted in 'Q eidat il-Maaloomaat' which meant 'You'll be logged in the information database.' Meaning 'You will receive a warning . . .' If the case was more severe, they would used to talk about 'Q eidat i-Taaleemaat.' Meaning 'the decision database.' It meant 'you will be punished.' For the worst cases they used to speak of logging in 'Al Qaida.'

              "In the early 1980s the Islamic Bank for Development, which is located in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, like the Permanent Secretariat of the Islamic Conference Organization, bought a new computerized system to cope with its accounting and communication requirements. At the time the system was more sophisticated than necessary for their actual needs.

              "It was decided to use a part of the system's memory to host the Islamic Conference's database. It was possible for the countries attending to access the database by telephone: an Intranet, in modern language. The governments of the member-countries as well as some of their embassies in the world were connected to that network.

              "[According to a Pakistani major] the database was divided into two parts, the information file where the participants in the meetings could pick up and send information they needed, and the decision file where the decisions made during the previous sessions were recorded and stored. In Arabic, the files were called, 'Q eidat il-Maaloomaat' and 'Q eidat i-Taaleemaat.' Those two files were kept in one file called in Arabic 'Q eidat ilmu'ti'aat' which is the exact translation of the English word database. But the Arabs commonly used the short word Al Qaida which is the Arabic word for "base." The military air base of Riyadh, Saudi Arabia is called 'q eidat 'riyadh al 'askariya.' Q eida means "a base" and "Al Qaida" means "the base."

              "In the mid-1980s, Al Qaida was a database located in computer and dedicated to the communications of the Islamic Conference's secretariat.

              "In the early 1990s, I was a military intelligence officer in the Headquarters of the French Rapid Action Force. Because of my skills in Arabic my job was also to translate a lot of faxes and letters seized or intercepted by our intelligence services . . . We often got intercepted material sent by Islamic networks operating from the UK or from Belgium.

              "These documents contained directions sent to Islamic armed groups in Algeria or in France. The messages quoted the sources of statements to be exploited in the redaction of the tracts or leaflets, or to be introduced in video or tapes to be sent to the media. The most commonly quoted sources were the United Nations, the non-aligned countries, the UNHCR and . . . Al Qaida.

              "Al Qaida remained the data base of the Islamic Conference. Not all member countries of the Islamic Conference are 'rogue states' and many Islamic groups could pick up information from the databases. It was but natural for Osama Bin Laden to be connected to this network. He is a member of an important family in the banking and business world.

              "Because of the presence of 'rogue states,' it became easy for terrorist groups to use the email of the database. Hence, the email of Al Qaida was used, with some interface system, providing secrecy, for the families of the mujaheddin to keep links with their children undergoing training in Afghanistan, or in Libya or in the Beqaa valley, Lebanon. Or in action anywhere in the battlefields where the extremists sponsored by all the 'rogue states' used to fight. And the 'rogue states' included Saudi Arabia. When Osama bin Laden was an American agent in Afghanistan, the Al Qaida Intranet was a good communication system through coded or covert messages.

              Meet "Al Qaeda"

              "Al Qaida was neither a terrorist group nor Osama bin Laden's personal property . . . The terrorist actions in Turkey in 2003 were carried out by Turks and the motives were local and not international, unified, or joint. These crimes put the Turkish government in a difficult position vis-a-vis the British and the Israelis. But the attacks certainly intended to 'punish' Prime Minister Erdogan for being a 'toot tepid' Islamic politician.

              " . . . In the Third World the general opinion is that the countries using weapons of mass destruction for economic purposes in the service of imperialism are in fact 'rogue states," specially the US and other NATO countries.

              " Some Islamic economic lobbies are conducting a war against the 'liberal" economic lobbies. They use local terrorist groups claiming to act on behalf of Al Qaida. On the other hand, national armies invade independent countries under the aegis of the UN Security Council and carry out pre-emptive wars. And the real sponsors of these wars are not governments but the lobbies concealed behind them.

              "The truth is, there is no Islamic army or terrorist group called Al Qaida. And any informed intelligence officer knows this. But there is a propaganda campaign to make the public believe in the presence of an identified entity representing the 'devil' only in order to drive the 'TV watcher' to accept a unified international leadership for a war against terrorism. The country behind this propaganda is the US and the lobbyists for the US war on terrorism are only interested in making money."

              In yet another example of what happens to those who challenge the system, in December 2001, Maj. Pierre-Henri Bunel was convicted by a secret French military court of passing classified documents that identified potential NATO bombing targets in Serbia to a Serbian agent during the Kosovo war in 1998. Bunel's case was transferred from a civilian court to keep the details of the case classified. Bunel's character witnesses and psychologists notwithstanding, the system "got him" for telling the truth about Al Qaeda and who has actually been behind the terrorist attacks commonly blamed on that group. It is noteworthy that that Yugoslav government, the government with whom Bunel was asserted by the French government to have shared information, claimed that Albanian and Bosnian guerrillas in the Balkans were being backed by elements of "Al Qaeda." We now know that these guerrillas were being backed by money provided by the Bosnian Defense Fund, an entity established as a special fund at Bush-influenced Riggs Bank and directed by Richard Perle and Douglas Feith.

              French officer Maj. Pierre-Henri Bunel, who knew the truth about "Al Qaeda" -- Another target of the neo-cons
              Code:
              http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=1291
              Watch from 48:46 to 51:15.
              YouTube - Zeitgeist Addendum

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              • Risto the Great
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2008
                • 15658

                #8
                Originally posted by DirtyCodingHabitz View Post
                And who might these terrorists be? read this bellow, moron.
                Are you 10 years old or what?
                Risto the Great
                MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
                "Holding my breath for the revolution."

                Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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                • fyrOM
                  Banned
                  • Feb 2010
                  • 2180

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Risto the Great View Post
                  Are you 10 years old or what?
                  But for the word morron...very harsh and unwarranted...you dont really belive the USA are in Iraq for anything other than the oil or in Afganistan for anything other than the drug trade and mining. The 'evil' guys are the front for the USA's real agenda which is so much in the open they need the media to keep telling the public to keep our eyes close lie back and think of England...if you are familliar with the saying...or USA or Australia ect.

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                  • fyrOM
                    Banned
                    • Feb 2010
                    • 2180

                    #10
                    Has anyone considered who says the rebbels are the good guys. Imagin any country that has half or less than half of the people taking up arms it would be called a civil war...the communists in Vietnam did exactly this and were labelled the bad guys...so who says the rebbels are right and should be supported.

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                    • Risto the Great
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2008
                      • 15658

                      #11
                      Originally posted by OziMak View Post
                      But for the word morron...very harsh and unwarranted...
                      Just for the word moron. What is a morron?
                      Risto the Great
                      MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
                      "Holding my breath for the revolution."

                      Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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                      • fyrOM
                        Banned
                        • Feb 2010
                        • 2180

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Risto the Great View Post
                        Just for the word moron. What is a morron?
                        A typo.

                        Now the system is telling me my post is too short so this is just to fill up space and can be ignored.

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                        • Soldier of Macedon
                          Senior Member
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 13670

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Frank
                          ........another Internet leaked beheading video would have done wonders for sending the message to the Powers to stop taking it in their rights to take the Sovereignty of other States.
                          What a ridiculous and barbaric thing to suggest.
                          In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                          • Risto the Great
                            Senior Member
                            • Sep 2008
                            • 15658

                            #14
                            Originally posted by OziMak View Post
                            A typo.

                            Now the system is telling me my post is too short so this is just to fill up space and can be ignored.
                            I have been tempted to ignore your long posts sometimes as well.
                            Risto the Great
                            MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
                            "Holding my breath for the revolution."

                            Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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                            • Frank
                              Banned
                              • Mar 2010
                              • 687

                              #15
                              What a ridiculous and barbaric thing to suggest.
                              Welcome to the mid East this is quite the norm there is nothing ridiculous
                              in the Arab world in a execution such as this.

                              Were as those MPRI instructors Archinivo they should have been captered and imprisoned under Macedonian law or better killed

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