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  • I of Macedon
    Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 222

    An entity called the West

    Europe and the people without history
    By Eric R. Wolf



    We have been taught, inside the classroom and outside of it, that there exists an entity called the West, and that one can think of this West as a society and civilization independent of and in opposition to other societies and civilizations. Many of us grew up believing that this West has a genealogy, according to which ancient Greece begat Rome, Rome begat Christian Europe, Christian Europe begat the Renaissance, the Renaissance the Enlightenment, the Enlightenment political democracy and the industrial revolution. Industry, crossed with democracy, in turn yielded the United States, embodying the rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

    Such a development scheme is misleading. Its misleading, first, because it turns history into a moral success story, a race in time in which each runner of the race passes on the torch of liberty to the next relay. History is thus converted into the tale about the furtherance of virtue, about how the virtuous win over the bad guys. Frequently, this turns into a story of how the winners prove that they are virtuous and good by winning. If history is the working out of moral purpose in time, then those who lay claim to that purpose are by that fact the predilect agents of history.

    The scheme misleads in the second sense as well. If history is but a tale of unfolding moral purpose, then each link in the genealogy, each runner in the race, is only a precursor of the final apotheosis and not a manifold of social and cultural processes at work in their own time and place. Yet what would we learn of ancient Greece, for example, if we interpreted it only as a prehistoric Miss Liberty, holding aloft the torch of moral purpose in the barbarian night? We would gain little sense of the class conflicts racking the Greek cities, or of the relation between freemen and slaves. We would have no reason to ask why were more Greeks fighting in the ranks of the Persian kings than in the ranks of the Hellenic Alliance against the Persians. It would be of no interest to us to know that more Greeks lived in Southern Italy and Sicily, then called Magna Graecia, than in Greece proper. Nor would we have any reason to ask why there were soon more Greek mercenaries in foreign armies than in the military bodies of their home cities. Greek settlers outside of Greece, Greek mercenaries in foreign armies, and slaves from Thrace, Phrygia, or Paphalagonia in Greek households all imply Hellenic relations with Greeks and non-Greeks outside of Greece. Yet our guiding scheme would not invite us to ask questions about these relationships.

    ...The point is more than academic. By turning names into things we create false models of reality. By endowing nations, societies, or cultures with the qualities of internally homogenous and externally distinctive and bounded objects, we create a model of the world as a global pool hall in which the entities spin off each other like so many hard and round billiard balls. Thus it becomes easy to sort the world into differently colored balls, to declare that “East is East, and West is West, and never the twain shall meet.”

    ...There was the “modern” world of the West. There was the world of the East, which had fallen pray to communism, a “disease of modernization” (Rostow 1960). There was, finally, the Third World, still bound up in “tradition” and strangled in its efforts towards modernization. If the West could only find ways of breaking that grip, it could perhaps save the victim from the infection incubated and spread by the East, and set that Third World upon the road to modernization - the road to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness of the West. The ghastly offspring of this way of thinking about the world was the theory of “forced draft urbanization” (Huntington 1968:655), which held that the Vietnamese could be propelled towards modernization by driving them into the cities through aerial bombardment and defoliation of the countryside. Names thus become things, and things marked with an X can become targets of war.
    No need to sit in the shade, because we stand under our own sun
  • osiris
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 1969

    #2
    i wonder exactly where the self named west would be economically without the plunder of the americas africa india and asia.

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    • Spartan
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2008
      • 1037

      #3
      They'd be the 'plundered'

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      • osiris
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2008
        • 1969

        #4
        spartan they would have been on the margins as they were for the thousand years before that. its a sad and sorry story the plundering of the world so that spain england france holland and belgium can have the wealthy lifestyles of today.

        even you and i are beneficiary of that terror and theft.

        its an interesting year for the gunnars we are still in it and have already played the big guys twice, so who knows what will happen.

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        • Spartan
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2008
          • 1037

          #5
          I fully agree osiris, it is sad and unfortunate, and we have benefitted...no question.
          My point is simply if it wasnt the 'west', it would be someone else.

          The gunners are very much alive!

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          • osiris
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2008
            • 1969

            #6
            maybe but the chinese and indians both huge nations wealthy and powerful did not invade anyone outside their borders. marco polo said if china wanted to conquer the world in his time it easily could have. i think there is something else at play here.

            go gunnars

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            • TrueMacedonian
              Senior Member
              • Jan 2009
              • 3812

              #7
              Originally posted by I of Macedon View Post
              Europe and the people without history
              By Eric R. Wolf



              We have been taught, inside the classroom and outside of it, that there exists an entity called the West, and that one can think of this West as a society and civilization independent of and in opposition to other societies and civilizations. Many of us grew up believing that this West has a genealogy, according to which ancient Greece begat Rome, Rome begat Christian Europe, Christian Europe begat the Renaissance, the Renaissance the Enlightenment, the Enlightenment political democracy and the industrial revolution. Industry, crossed with democracy, in turn yielded the United States, embodying the rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

              Such a development scheme is misleading. Its misleading, first, because it turns history into a moral success story, a race in time in which each runner of the race passes on the torch of liberty to the next relay. History is thus converted into the tale about the furtherance of virtue, about how the virtuous win over the bad guys. Frequently, this turns into a story of how the winners prove that they are virtuous and good by winning. If history is the working out of moral purpose in time, then those who lay claim to that purpose are by that fact the predilect agents of history.

              The scheme misleads in the second sense as well. If history is but a tale of unfolding moral purpose, then each link in the genealogy, each runner in the race, is only a precursor of the final apotheosis and not a manifold of social and cultural processes at work in their own time and place. Yet what would we learn of ancient Greece, for example, if we interpreted it only as a prehistoric Miss Liberty, holding aloft the torch of moral purpose in the barbarian night? We would gain little sense of the class conflicts racking the Greek cities, or of the relation between freemen and slaves. We would have no reason to ask why were more Greeks fighting in the ranks of the Persian kings than in the ranks of the Hellenic Alliance against the Persians. It would be of no interest to us to know that more Greeks lived in Southern Italy and Sicily, then called Magna Graecia, than in Greece proper. Nor would we have any reason to ask why there were soon more Greek mercenaries in foreign armies than in the military bodies of their home cities. Greek settlers outside of Greece, Greek mercenaries in foreign armies, and slaves from Thrace, Phrygia, or Paphalagonia in Greek households all imply Hellenic relations with Greeks and non-Greeks outside of Greece. Yet our guiding scheme would not invite us to ask questions about these relationships.

              ...The point is more than academic. By turning names into things we create false models of reality. By endowing nations, societies, or cultures with the qualities of internally homogenous and externally distinctive and bounded objects, we create a model of the world as a global pool hall in which the entities spin off each other like so many hard and round billiard balls. Thus it becomes easy to sort the world into differently colored balls, to declare that “East is East, and West is West, and never the twain shall meet.”

              ...There was the “modern” world of the West. There was the world of the East, which had fallen pray to communism, a “disease of modernization” (Rostow 1960). There was, finally, the Third World, still bound up in “tradition” and strangled in its efforts towards modernization. If the West could only find ways of breaking that grip, it could perhaps save the victim from the infection incubated and spread by the East, and set that Third World upon the road to modernization - the road to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness of the West. The ghastly offspring of this way of thinking about the world was the theory of “forced draft urbanization” (Huntington 1968:655), which held that the Vietnamese could be propelled towards modernization by driving them into the cities through aerial bombardment and defoliation of the countryside. Names thus become things, and things marked with an X can become targets of war.
              I of Macedon thank you for posting this. This sentence strikes a reverberating chord for me - The point is more than academic. By turning names into things we create false models of reality. Wolf makes perfect sense.
              Slayer Of The Modern "greek" Myth!!!

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              • I of Macedon
                Member
                • Sep 2008
                • 222

                #8
                No problem TrueMacedonian. Wolf definitely sees things differently, reminds me somewhat of N. Dimou.
                No need to sit in the shade, because we stand under our own sun

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