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Onur you are partly right but even the Sephardic Jews were not all part of the original Israelites because during the roman empire many non Israelites converted to Judaism. It is said that by the end of the first century Jews comprised ten percent of the population of the Roman empire.
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90% of todays jews are not semitic but khazaric jews.Originally posted by osiris View PostСлава му на Бога за сеComment
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Agreed komita their DNA is close to Turks suggesting the kazar theory of Ashkenazi Jewish origins may be true.Comment
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The latest addition to the Khazar theory was from a professor of history from the university of Tel Aviv. He wrote a book named "The Invention of the Jewish People" two years ago.
He basically says that the theory of all Jews in the world came from Jerusalem is a myth created by the late 19th century zionist scholars, just to create a legitimacy for the creation of Jewish state in Palestine. He also says that most of the today`s Jews(~90%) are later converts from Khazar kingdom and ultimately they are genetically Turkic and/or Slavic people but not semitic at all. Ofc he has been demonized because of his book by Israeli state, media and so on.
And most ironically, he says that a Palestinian muslim man working with Hamas has higher chance to be the descendant of ancient Jews than himself(the author) being a Yiddish speaking immigrant from Austria to Israel
I believe he is right about a Palestinian muslims probably genetically more closer to the ancient Jews rather than today`s Jews!
If you are interested with it, i had some links about this in my bookmarks;
Where Do Jews Come From?
This much is known: In the mid-eighth century, the ruling elite of the Khazars, a Turkic tribe in Eurasia, converted to Judaism. Their impetus was political, not spiritual. By embracing Judaism, the Khazars were able to maintain their independence from rival monotheistic states, the Muslim caliphate and the Christian Byzantine empire. Governed by a version of rabbinical law, the Khazar Jewish kingdom flourished along the Volga basin until the beginning of the second millennium, at which point it dissolved, leaving behind a mystery: Did the Khazar converts to Judaism remain Jews, and, if so, what became of them?
Enter Shlomo Sand. In a new book, "The Invention of the Jewish People," the Tel Aviv University professor of history argues that large numbers of Khazar Jews migrated westward into Ukraine, Poland and Lithuania, where they played a decisive role in the establishment of Eastern European Jewry. The implications are far-reaching: If the bulk of Eastern European Jews are the descendents of Khazars—not the ancient Israelites—then most Jews have no ancestral links to Palestine. Put differently: If most Jews are not Semites, then what justification is there for a Jewish state in the Middle East? By attempting to demonstrate the Khazar origins of Eastern European Jewry, Mr. Sand—a self-described post-Zionist who believes that Israel needs to shed its Jewish identity to become a democracy—aims to undermine the idea of a Jewish state.
Published in Hebrew last year, "The Invention of the Jewish People" was a best seller in Israel. In March, the French translation, also a best seller, received the prestigious Aujourd'hui Award, which honors the year's best nonfiction book. Past winners include such intellectual titans as Raymond Aron, Milan Kundera and George Steiner. "The Invention of the Jewish People" is being translated into a dozen languages. Mr. Sand is delivering lectures this month in Los Angeles, Berkeley, New York and elsewhere.
What should we make of Mr. Sand's radical revisionist history? There is reason to be very skeptical. After all, we have been here before. In 1976, Arthur Koestler published "The Thirteenth Tribe," which argued that Diaspora Jews were a "pseudo-nation" bound by "a system of traditional beliefs based on racial and historical premises which turn out to be illusory." The genetic influence of the Khazars on modern Jews is, he wrote, "substantial, and in all likelihood dominant." Koestler's speculations were not novel. The connection between the Khazars and the Jews of Eastern Europe had been debated by both scholars and conspiracists (the two are not mutually exclusive) for centuries.
"The Thirteenth Tribe" was savaged by critics, and Mr. Sand's repackaging of its central argument has not fared much better. "A few Jews in Eastern Europe presumably came from the Khazar kingdom, but nobody can responsibly claim that most of them are the descendents of Khazars," says Israel Bartal, a professor of history at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem. We simply don't know enough about the demographics of Eastern European Jews before the 13th century to make such an assertion, Mr. Bartal says, adding, "Sand has not proven anything." According to Peter B. Golden, a professor of history at Rutgers University, the Khazars are likely one of a number of strains that shaped the Jewish population in Eastern Europe. But, he stresses, DNA studies have confirmed that the Middle Eastern strain is predominant.
In "The Invention of the Jewish People," Mr. Sand suggests that those who attacked Koestler's book did so not because it lacked merit, but because the critics were cowards and ideologues. "No one wants to go looking under stones when venomous scorpions might be lurking beneath them, waiting to attack the self-image of the existing ethnos and its territorial ambitions." But Koestler was himself uneasy about scorpions. The Khazar theory, he knew, was an article of faith among anti-Semites and anti-Israel Arab politicians. Just a few months before "The Thirteenth Tribe" was published, the Saudi Arabian delegation to the United Nations declared Zionism illegitimate because it was conceived by "non-Semitic Jews" rather than "our own Arab Jews who are the real Semites." (An Israeli ambassador, wrongly, countered that Koestler's book had been secretly subsidized by the Palestinians.) Perhaps more disconcerting, the neo-Nazi National States Rights Party in the U.S. declared "The Thirteenth Tribe" to be "the political bombshell of the century" because "it destroys all claims of the present-day Jew-Khazars to any historic right to occupy Palestine." Members of Stormfront, a self-described "white nationalist" Internet community, have predictably reacted to Mr. Sand's book with glee.
I recently called Mr. Sand in Paris, where he is on sabbatical, to ask if he is concerned that "The Invention of the Jewish People" will be exploited for pernicious ends. "I don't care if crazy anti-Semites in the United States use my book," he said in Israeli-accented English. "Anti-Semitism in the West, for the moment, is not a problem." Still, he is worried about how the forthcoming Arabic translation might be received in the Muslim world, where, he says, anti-Semitism is growing. I ask if the confident tenor of his book might exacerbate the problem. He falls quiet for a moment. "Maybe my tone was too affirmative on the question of the Khazars," he reluctantly concedes. "If I were to write it today I would be much more careful." Such an admission, however, is unlikely to sway the sinister conspiracists who find the Khazar theory a useful invention.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...91024180.html?
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The Invention Of The Jewish People By Shlomo Sand.pdf
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This is what the Jews say in their newspapers.
Watch from 3:42 to 4:29.New research: One people!
Jews the world over share age-old genetic ties.
The Jews have been not only a national and religious group since the 2nd century BCE but also have common genetic links derived in the ancient Middle East despite their dispersion throughout the world, sophisticated genetic analysis based in New York has concluded.
The study, which was published on Thursday in the online edition of The American Journal of Human Genetics, also provides the first-ever detailed genetic maps of the three major Jewish subpopulations – a precious resource that can be used to study the genetic origins of disease in non-Jews as well.
The important study, called “Abraham’s Children in the Genome Era: Major Jewish Diaspora Populations Comprise Distinct Genetic Clusters with Shared Middle Eastern Ancestry,” was conducted by Dr. Gil Atzmon and Prof. Edward Burns at Yeshiva University’s Albert Einstein College of Medicine and Prof. Harry Ostrer of New York University’s School of Medicine. It also included Prof. Eitan Friedman, head of oncogenetics at Sheba Medical Center at Tel Hashomer, and others.
They performed a genome-wide analysis of Eastern European Ashkenazi Jews; Italian, Greek and Turkish Sephardi Jews; and Iranian, Iraqi and Syrian Jews. A total of 237 participants from diverse Jewish communities in the metropolitan New York region, Seattle, Israel, Athens and Rome underwent blood tests. The 237 Jews were included only if all four grandparents came from the same Jewish community.
The results were compared with a genetic analysis of 418 people from non-Jewish groups around the world.
Jews from the different regions of the world were found to share many genetic traits that are distinct from other groups and that date back to ancient times.
The researchers wrote in the 10-page article to appear in the journal’s print edition that Jews from the major Diaspora groups formed a distinct population cluster, albeit one that is closely related to European and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations. Each of the Diaspora groups also formed its own cluster within the larger Jewish cluster.
In addition, each group demonstrated Middle Eastern ancestry and varying degrees of mixing with surrounding populations. The genetic analysis showed that the two major groups – Middle Eastern and European Jews – split from from each other about 2,500 years ago.
For more than a century, Jews and non-Jews alike have tried to define the relatedness of contemporary Jewish people, the article states.
“Previous genetic studies of blood group and serum markers suggested that Jewish groups had Middle Eastern origin with greater genetic similarity between paired Jewish populations. However, these and successor studies of monoallelic Y chromosomal and mitochondrial genetic markers did not resolve the issues of within- and between-group Jewish genetic identity.”
The new research, however, showed “distinctive Jewish population clusters – each with shared Middle Eastern ancestry, proximity to contemporary Middle Eastern populations and variable degrees of European and North African admixture.”
Thus, this study demonstrates that European/Syrian and Middle Eastern Jews represent “a series of geographical isolates or clusters woven together by shared identity-by-descent (IBD) genetic threads.”
It also disproved claims of large-scale genetic contributions of Central and Eastern European and Slavic populations to the formation of Ashkenazi Jewry.
“This study provides new genomic information that can benefit not only those of Jewish ancestry, but the population at large,” said Burns, the executive dean and a pathologist at Einstein.
“The study supports the idea of a Jewish people linked by a shared genetic history,” added Ostrer. “Yet the admixture with [non-Jewish] European people explains why so many European and Syrian Jews have blue eyes and blond hair.”
Asked to comment, Prof. Karl Skorecki – director of medical and research development at Rambam Medical Center in Haifa and director of nephrology and molecular medicine at the Technion’s Rappaport Medical School – stated that he was “familiar with this excellent study.”
Skorecki made headlines around the world with his landmark 1997 discovery that the majority of kohanim (Jews of the priestly tribe) were descended from a single common male ancestor, and has conducted extensive research in Jewish genetics.
“I have had discussions with Dr. Atzmon, who visits Israel often and whom I know well. He will be visiting our faculty of medicine and give a lecture on June 9.”
“The goal of the study was to determine a genomic baseline,” said lead author Atzmon. “With this established, we’ll be able to more easily identify genes associated with complex disorders like diabetes that are determined by multiple variants across the genome. Armed with this information, we will be better positioned to treat patients.”
The article notes that Iraqi and Iranian Middle Eastern Jews date from communities that were formed in the Babylon and Persian empires in the 4th to 6th centuries BCE; Jewish communities in the Balkans, Italy, North Africa and Syria were formed during classical antiquity and then admixed with Sephardic Jews who migrated after their expulsion from Spain and Portugal in the late 15th century. Ashkenazi Jews are thought to have settled in the Rhine Valley during the first millennium CE and then to have migrated into Eastern Europe between the 11th and 15th centuries.
“Admixture with surrounding populations had an early role in shaping world Jewry, but, during the past 2,000 years, may have been limited by religious law as Judaism evolved from a proselytizing to an inward-looking religion,” the team wrote.
The study was supported by the Lewis and Rachel Rudin Foundation, the Iranian-American Jewish Foundation, the United States-Israel Binational Science Foundation and private donors.
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Onur, maybe you can go here and explain to them how the Jews aren't really Jews: http://www.zionismontheweb.org/board...opic.php?t=430 what a name for a forum lol.Comment
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Very funny DCH you might as well ask Onur to go on a neo Hellenic forum and explain to them how Hellenic they really areComment
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Onur, Today is the official opening of the Holocaust Memorial Museum in Skopje, a large Jewish delegation from Israel will be there for the opening ceremony. For the past two days there have been a large display of Jewish Macedonian artifacts in the national museums.
Here is what its going to look like by 2013 when its due to be fully completed.
МАКЕДОНЕЦ си кога кавал ќе ти ја распара душата,зурла ќе ти го раскине срцето,кога секое влакно од кожата ќе ти се наежи кога ќе видиш шеснаесеткрако сонце,кога до коска ќе те заболи кога ќе слушнеш ПЈРМ,кога немаш ни за леб,а полн си во душата затоа што ја сакаш МАКЕДОНИЈА. МАКЕДОНИЈА во срце те носиме.Comment
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Have to laugh at the jewish state of not allowing "race-mixing" in marriages when infact that is what jews do when they get married. A jew from Russia.Lithuania,Poland is much more different then a jew England or Ireland, or even more so the Semitic jews.
And then you have black jews like Yaphet Kotto ,how can they be "once race" LOLComment
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I think they follow the greek way of identifying themselves as "pure race".how can they be "once race" LOLComment
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Actually, it`s the Jewish religion which doesn't allow race-mixing, not the Israeli state. These European and Ethiopian Jewish communities didn't evolve by intermarrying. They have been willingly converted to Judaism for political or spiritual reasons even tough Jewish doctrines says that you cant be a Jew if you don't belong semitic race.Originally posted by Big Bad Sven View Post
I found these on web;
Yasmin Levy, Sephardi Jew from Izmir;
Ethiopian Jews;
This picture is from an article about racism in Israel against Ethiopian Jews. You know, every Jewish person can be a citizen of Israel but it looks like Israeli state denies the Ethiopian Jews because of their black skin and they face discrimination in there.
European Ashkenazi Jews;
And these are Turkic speaking Jews from Crimea, Istanbul, Lithuania, Poland;
The ones in Istanbul came here from Russia in early 16th century and unfortunately they lost their unique dialect and they speak Turkish of Turkey anymore but the ones in Poland, Lithuania and Ukraine(Crimea) still speaks the Turkic dialect of medieval Khazars(a dialect similar to Tatars and Volga Bulgars). There are only ~2000 Turkic speaking Jews left and all of them declare that they are descendants of Khazars but because of that, Israeli state denies their Jewishness and Jewish rabbis in Israel brands them as heretics even tough they have at least +700 years old provable history of Judaism with medieval era documents. Ironically, they only deny the ones who still speaks Turkic but they gladly accept non-Turkic speaking ones in Lithuania, Poland, Ukraine.
It`s kinda impossible to explain this to them. They don't even listen their own professors from Tel Aviv university cuz this contradicts of their 100+ year old claim of Jerusalem as a Jewish homeland. I already said this several times before. Both the creation of Greece and Israel are so similar as a doctrine. Both are supposedly the descendants of people who lived 2000+ years ago and both claim legitimacy based only this theory. So, you cannot explain anything to them cuz even doing an argument about this contradicts the very existence of their states.Originally posted by DirtyCodingHabitz View PostLast edited by Onur; 03-10-2011, 05:12 AM.Comment
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Onur -
Both the creation of Greece and Israel are so similar as a doctrine. Both are supposedly the descendants of people who lived 2000+ years ago and both claim legitimacy based only this theory. So, you cannot explain anything to them cuz even doing an argument about this contradicts the very existence of their states.
You rock
"The moral revolution - the revolution of the mind, heart and soul of an enslaved people, is our greatest task."__________________Gotse DelchevComment
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I may be alone in this position, but, the fact remains, Europe would be smart to "encourage," the growth of white babies, and "discourage," the immigration of non-whites, and in particular, Muslims, to Europe.
In this sense, the French National Front have it right. I congratulate the French for this; they should wake up and remove that Zionist from power, Sarkozy, and elect real French citizens to power.
Don't get me wrong--I'm not a "racist." Turks, Arabs, and north African people have a right to live and prosper, but they should remain in their own countries, and stay out of Europe.
Europe should remain for Europeans and European culture, values, and beliefs. Europeans should procreate more and as such, maintain the survival of white civilization.
Whites are becoming the minority in Europe and (thank God!) many Europeans and their politicians are finally awakening to the reality that non-whites, non-Christians, in Europe, have been a disaster for our people and civilization.
Can you just imagine, when the Muslims become the majority, them granting white Christians (or pagans, atheists, etc) any rights or tolerance?
We are engaged in a war (so to speak) for the survival of the white race and civilization; our enemies use our tolerance to gain power and will use that power to usurp us and destroy us.
The danger is very real...Comment
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And I might add that the modern day "Jews," are no Jews at all, but rather ashkenazis who converted to Judaism, a religion that is very repugnant to any non-Jew, and use this phony "antisemitism" card whenever they are exposed.Comment
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[QUOTE=Philosopher;92344]I may be alone in this position, but, the fact remains, Europe would be smart to "encourage," the growth of white babies,...
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Europeans should procreate more...QUOTE]
Haven't 'Whites' been F-ing themselves already with their policies.
The only surprise is that there is a 'surprise' in 'main stream' France. The writting has been on the wall for a long time...maybe it just wasn't in French.Comment
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Philosopher, i would be worried too if i would be in their shoes but the thing is, this problem has no relation with muslims or "non-whites" as you called. Far rightist parties deliberately covering the real reason of this problem and they want people to direct their hate against muslims or other immigrants.Originally posted by Philosopher View Post
These so-called "white people" are killing their own nations all by themselves. Their youth doesn't get proper education. They only work just to be able to buy basic stuff while their doctors, professors, engineers in their country are usually the immigrants from india, china etc. They fck around and keep doing abortions. They don't get marry and they are not interested with having a normal family life with kids.
So-called "White people" are committing suicide but they blame the immigrants for that. You are in war with yourself.Comment
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