French mainstream in shock after poll puts French Far-Right in Lead

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  • Onur
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2010
    • 2389

    French mainstream in shock after poll puts French Far-Right in Lead

    French mainstream in shock after poll puts Le Pen in lead

    France was shocked yesterday by an opinion poll which suggested that the far-right leader Marine Le Pen could win the first round of the presidential election next spring.

    Although the poll was framed in a rather dubious way, and one out of three people gave no opinion, the outcome was a deep humiliation for President Nicolas Sarkozy and a stark warning to his bickering would-be rivals on the centre-left.

    Ms Le Pen has now doubled her opinion poll score in the space of four months – from 12 per cent to 23 per cent – revealing a deep anger with French politics-as-usual among voters of both the Right and the Left.

    The Harris poll for Le Parisien put Mr Sarkozy in joint second place on 22 per cent with the Socialist party leader, Martine Aubry. This is the first opinion survey in French history to suggest that the Front National could come first in a national election.

    Many politicians and commentators suggested that this was a wilfully rogue result. The runaway favourite to win the Socialist primary in November, and then contest the spring election, is Dominique Strauss-Kahn, the head of the International Monetary Fund, not Ms Aubry. All other recent presidential polls have put Mr Strauss-Kahn ahead in the first round next April, followed by Mr Sarkozy and then Ms Le Pen.

    All the same, the poll fell like a thunder clap on French politics yesterday. Sources within Mr Sarkozy's centre-right party, the Union pour un Mouvement Populaire (UMP) said it would strengthen the hand of parliamentarians already pressing for the president to be dumped in favour of a more consensual centre-right candidate.

    In another poll on Saturday, in Le Figaro, a Sarkozy-supporting newspaper, the president fell to the lowest approval rating of any president in the Fifth Republic (that is, since 1958). Only 22 per cent of those questioned said they thought that he was doing a good job.

    Socialist politicians suggested yesterday that Mr Sarkzoy had been caught in his own political trap. Since his anti-Rom migrant campaign last summer, he had frequently adopted far-right language and themes, they said. But the benefits have gone, not to Mr Sarkozy but to Ms Le Pen, as the new, avowedly moderate and attractive, face of the far right since she replaced her father, Jean-Marie Le Pen, in January.

    The poll, however wayward, suggests that one of the "mainstream" parties could fail to reach the second-round run-off of two candidates next May.

    Ms Le Pen, who has avoided her father's provocative language and declared herself a moderate patriot and a supporter of republican values, said yesterday: "Something big is happening. Faced with an ageing political class with ageing ideas, only the National Front offers people hope."

    Monday, 7 March 2011

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...d-2234262.html

    This is bad news for immigrants and European Union and especially so bad for Greece. I don't think Le Pen would care about Greeks as much as Sarkozy. I believe same will happen in Germany too, far-right parties will be in charge in most of European countries after few years of time and probably we will see major changes in European Union and their policies(maybe the end of EU?).

    Le Pen`s father, the former leader of the party was clearly anti-muslim and anti-semitic and he was saying that Hitler did the right thing for his people and he had reasons for his actions. Ms. Le Pen didn't speak as strict as her father yet but i don't think she is much different than him. I remember that few years ago, father Le Pen told in an interview with a Turkish journalist that "what Turkey is trying to do with the EU" and he recommended that Turkey should create an union with other Turkic states instead of trying to be an EU member
    Last edited by Onur; 03-07-2011, 06:49 AM.
  • Frank
    Banned
    • Mar 2010
    • 687

    #2
    This is good news anything the increases the pressure of the fairy tail creation called the EU to just disintegrate is great

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    • George S.
      Senior Member
      • Aug 2009
      • 10116

      #3
      THe eu was never going to work not in the way it was expected.It should go with a huge bang.I bet macedonia will be forced by eu's destruction not to join.
      "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
      GOTSE DELCEV

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      • Risto the Great
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2008
        • 15658

        #4
        It does seem to herald a change in appreciation for the EU.
        Risto the Great
        MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
        "Holding my breath for the revolution."

        Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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        • Prolet
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2009
          • 5241

          #5
          Onur, The way things are going in Greece i think even the Greeks themselves will be jumping ship.

          They wont do nothing to the Jews in France because they are very rich and powerful but i guess they wont give them the extra privileges like they got under Sarkozy. I dont think this will be a major problem for the Turkish community there because the majority of them can speak the French Language and they do integrate quite well there from what i've seen but it would be a problem for the Arabic community for sure.

          Greece one step away from Bankruptcy
          Monday, 07 March 2011

          Moody's slashed Greece's credit rating by three notches on Monday due to an increased default risk, raising the spectre that the distressed euro zone sovereign may have to restructure its debt, perhaps before 2013.
          The move increased pressure on euro zone leaders to ease repayment terms on bailout loans to Athens, just as Germany and its allies seem to have turned their backs on more radical steps to help it reduce its debt through bond purchases or buy-backs.

          Moody's Investors Service downgraded Greek debt to B1 from Ba1 -- lower than Egypt -- and said it may cut further, drawing an indignant protest from the Greek Finance Ministry.

          "The likelihood of a default or distressed exchange has risen since its last downgrade of the Greek government debt rating in June 2010," Moody's said in a statement.

          European Monetary Affairs Commissioner Olli Rehn underlined the case for reducing interest rates paid by Greece and Ireland on rescue loans and extending the maturities to enable them to achieve debt sustainability.

          The downgrade sent a ripple of concern around credit markets, raising the price of insuring Greek, Portuguese and Spanish debt against default and the risk premium on holding Greek bonds rather than benchmark German bunds.

          The ratings agency cited significant risks to the government's fiscal consolidation program from a revenue shortfall and difficulties in reforming healthcare and state-owned companies.

          Greece signed a 110 billion euros ($154 billion) rescue package with the EU and IMF last May to avoid default in exchange for draconian austerity measures which it has begun to implement. But many see the repayment terms as too onerous.

          "The sheer magnitude of the task becomes ever more apparent," said Sarah Carlson, Moody's lead analyst on Greece.

          Even if it fulfils the entire three-year adjustment program, its debt is projected to reach 158 percent of gross domestic product in 2013, a level widely seen as unsustainable.

          "There is a risk that conditions attached to any kind of continuing support after 2013 could take solvency criteria into account that the country may not be able to satisfy, and therefore could result in a restructuring of existing debt," Carlson told Reuters.

          МАКЕДОНЕЦ си кога кавал ќе ти ја распара душата,зурла ќе ти го раскине срцето,кога секое влакно од кожата ќе ти се наежи кога ќе видиш шеснаесеткрако сонце,кога до коска ќе те заболи кога ќе слушнеш ПЈРМ,кога немаш ни за леб,а полн си во душата затоа што ја сакаш МАКЕДОНИЈА. МАКЕДОНИЈА во срце те носиме.

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          • DirtyCodingHabitz
            Member
            • Sep 2010
            • 835

            #6
            They wont do nothing to the Jews in France because they are very rich and powerful but i guess they wont give them the extra privileges like they got under Sarkozy.
            Jews might be rich and love to control politics, media and banks. But that was the reason why Hitler kicked them out and that will be the same reason for the French if the right-wing party wins.

            Sarkozy also has greek and jewish ancestry if you didn't know.

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            • Bill77
              Senior Member
              • Oct 2009
              • 4545

              #7
              Originally posted by DirtyCodingHabitz View Post
              Jews might be rich and love to control politics, media and banks. But that was the reason why Hitler kicked them out and that will be the same reason for the French if the right-wing party wins.

              Sarkozy also has greek and jewish ancestry if you didn't know.
              Greek??? his Grandfather was born in Solun which was Macedonia under Ottoman rule at the time. So he was Macedonian by geographic sense. Nothing to do with being Greek.
              http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?p=120873#post120873

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              • DirtyCodingHabitz
                Member
                • Sep 2010
                • 835

                #8
                Originally posted by Bill77 View Post
                Greek??? his Grandfather was born in Solun which was Macedonia under Ottoman rule at the time. So he was Macedonian by geographic sense. Nothing to do with being Greek.
                So why doesn't he support us and help us out?

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                • Prolet
                  Senior Member
                  • Sep 2009
                  • 5241

                  #9
                  DCH, The Holocaust memorial Museum is being opened up on Thursday in Skopje, i think it would be good to strengthen our relations with Israel. We can learn alot from them, there is going to be a large Jewish Delegation from Israel for the opening ceremony.

                  Sarkozy has Jewish Links from Solun, it doesnt mean his grand parents were Greek. I think he is more Hungarian by nationality.

                  The reality is that major changes need to be made if anyone were to be able to stop the Jewish Domination and that would require alot of discipline, the Jews stick together and help each other out. They loose their comfort because alot of their funds end up going to Israel but their country is alot stronger and they dont have any divisions, their Synagogues have a big say in what goes on.
                  МАКЕДОНЕЦ си кога кавал ќе ти ја распара душата,зурла ќе ти го раскине срцето,кога секое влакно од кожата ќе ти се наежи кога ќе видиш шеснаесеткрако сонце,кога до коска ќе те заболи кога ќе слушнеш ПЈРМ,кога немаш ни за леб,а полн си во душата затоа што ја сакаш МАКЕДОНИЈА. МАКЕДОНИЈА во срце те носиме.

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                  • Onur
                    Senior Member
                    • Apr 2010
                    • 2389

                    #10
                    A Jew cant be related with Greeks whatsoever. Jews never intermarry with non-Jews, if they do so(very rare), then their kids cant be a Jew anymore. Especially if their mother is not a Jew. Also, you know, about 60% of Salonika`s population was Sephardi Jews before 1912.

                    I have no idea why Sarkozy supports Greeks cuz his grandparents probably expelled out from Salonika by Greeks. Most of the Jews in Israel are aware of that and they don't like Greeks at all. For example, Israel`s PM made a visit to Greece few months ago, first ever since the foundation of Israel cuz Papandreu invited him there(shortly after Turkish-Israeli tensions last year). But i believe that Sarkozy is probably denying his Jewish, Salonika, Hungary roots and he thinks himself as proud French anymore just like the Armenians, Algerians in there.


                    Btw Prolet, actually Jews had divisions too but they mostly unified all of them after the foundation of Israel but there are still divisions, different sects among them. For example, normally a Karaite Jew doesn't marry with a Sephardi or Ashkenazi Jew. These habits are only relaxed among Jews of USA but not in Israel. Before 1950s, 80% of Jews was speaking Indo-European Yiddish language, not Hebrew but they totally abandoned Yiddish by their own will and now all of them speaks Hebrew anymore.
                    Last edited by Onur; 03-08-2011, 12:49 PM.

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                    • George S.
                      Senior Member
                      • Aug 2009
                      • 10116

                      #11
                      Hey onur i saw a report on tv recently saying that the turks are playing an important role in settling the palestinian & israeli differences & the turks would be able to bring lasting peace to the region.What do you reckon??Sarkosi i don't care where he comes from he is a bloody disgrace siding with the greeks even after he has been filled in with the facts.He pretends to be on macedonias side but is really not.
                      "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
                      GOTSE DELCEV

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                      • Bill77
                        Senior Member
                        • Oct 2009
                        • 4545

                        #12
                        Originally posted by DirtyCodingHabitz View Post
                        So why doesn't he support us and help us out?
                        His Grand Father (Aaron Mallah) was born in 1890 in the Sephardic Jewish community of Solun. If the Jews wanted to lay claims on "Southern Macedonia", It might be a different story. Although i have no doubts Aaron Mallah would have spoken Macedonian, His Grandfather was not Ethnic Macedonian (indigenous). Then by the time Sarkozy was born, Solun was well and truely foreign occupied by "so called Greeks". As you are aware, France was one of the players in creation and promotion of modern Greece. So what would you expect him being taught in France. On top of that, Sarkozy would have grown up during or just after 2nd world war. You should also be aware how important "strategically" Greece was at the time and the support Greece once again had. After the Nazis left, communists were the evil (ironically the ones that saved Greece from the Nazis) and the propaganda of Greece and its pure Greeks was alive and kicking again.

                        On top of that, i am sure Sarkozy has a Villa somewhere on a Greek Island.
                        Last edited by Bill77; 03-08-2011, 05:31 PM.
                        http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?p=120873#post120873

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                        • Onur
                          Senior Member
                          • Apr 2010
                          • 2389

                          #13
                          Originally posted by George S. View Post
                          Hey onur i saw a report on tv recently saying that the turks are playing an important role in settling the palestinian & israeli differences & the turks would be able to bring lasting peace to the region.What do you reckon??
                          That was the case `till very recently!

                          Basically there are only two possible candidates to be a mediator for all middle-eastern conflicts. Turkey and Egypt. Former Egyptian government(Moubarak) was always pro-American and Palestinians never trusted them and currently Egypt is in chaos. Contrarily, while middle-easterner leaders(puppet dictators) never likes Turkey but ordinary Arab people likes and trusts us and they dont trust anyone else either. So, Turkey was the mediator between Palestinians and Jews for some time but especially after flotilla incident, there hasn't been any negotiation between them and Jews doesn't prefer us(Turks) to be the mediator anymore. I don't know what will happen next but probably Israel wont object our mediator position if they wanna settle things with Palestinians.

                          Actually, Turkey`s involvement in to the middle-eastern conflicts disgusts me and i never wanna see my country to involve in to their problems in any way but whole world pushes and encourages us to do that. Both western world and ordinary people of middle-east. Maybe this is a good thing for the world peace but the conflicts of the middle-east are so complicated and dangerous to be involved with it. Also i hate to see British and other great powers to step aside from that mess after willingly and directly creating this chaotic situation of middle-east after WW-1. They only care about leeching their oil `till the last drop for a century but nothing else. For example, it was the British who filled the giant ships with Jews from Europe and transfer 100.000s of them to Palestine in the first place. They did that shortly after invading Palestine and Palestinian Arabs helped them to be their colony and fought against us(Turks) with British soldier uniforms on them in WW-1. So, why should Turkey be involved in to this mess now?

                          Turkish people are heavily divided for this issue. Half of the people says that we should be the mediator and help Palestinians, the other half says that "They killed Turks with British weapons and then sold their own country to the them and to the Jews, so let them live with the consequences of their actions now".
                          Last edited by Onur; 03-08-2011, 05:38 PM.

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                          • DirtyCodingHabitz
                            Member
                            • Sep 2010
                            • 835

                            #14
                            Jews never intermarry with non-Jews, if they do so(very rare), then their kids cant be a Jew anymore. Especially if their mother is not a Jew. Also
                            How come African Jews are pure Jews? but when it comes to Jews having European descent they can't be Jewish? now that's European hatred.

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                            • Onur
                              Senior Member
                              • Apr 2010
                              • 2389

                              #15
                              Originally posted by DirtyCodingHabitz View Post
                              How come African Jews are pure Jews? but when it comes to Jews having European descent they can't be Jewish? now that's European hatred.

                              You are asking the questions that Jews never wants to hear or answer. In my opinion, only Sephardi Jews semitic origin can be proved but the origin of others like European Ashkenazim or Ethiopian Jews are questionable. Sephardis migrated in to the Spain from Jerusalem when muslim Arabs created Andalusian state. The story of European and Ethiopian Jews are shallow. It`s highly possible that these two group don't have any relation with Jerusalem but accepted Judaism in early medieval times. It`s already stupid to think that both whitewashed Europeean Jews and black Ethiopean Jews are same race of semitic people but thats what official Jewish claim that all Jews are semitic and were living in Jerusalem 2000 years ago. Btw, Sephardi Jews are only 10% among all Jews in the world. European Ashkenazim Jews are 80%.



                              Google "Khazars Jews" and you can find many controversial opinions about the origin of European Jews.




                              Jews themselves are doing this argument for more than 100+ years and many Jewish scholars who said that European Jews are not semitic has been found dead, murdered in 1950-60s.

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